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I don't like her
by zvonsully on Thursday 31/Aug/2006, @03:03

I have a kde wish "move mouse to default button" http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=30523 . On http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114879 there are some replies of CEleste like "35% isnt a very good rating.." Well now the wish has 45 % good, but when you look at KDE/windows ratio it will be very small and still we are using KDE. I think she should be more open to comunity requests and KDE should pay a litle less atention to "usability experts" and focus on what users want!

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Re: I don't like her
by Cyrille Berger on Thursday 31/Aug/2006, @04:01

"Usuability expert" are people who watch others using computer, to see how they interact, to see what problems user have when using software. So I would say "usuability expert" are the way KDE can pay attention to user request.

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Re: I don't like her
by superstoned on Thursday 31/Aug/2006, @04:17

I agree. 'what users want' is mostly limited to what the vocal part of the kde community want, not what MOST users want. besides, most ppl don't KNOW what they want...

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Re: I don't like her
by Lubos Lunak on Thursday 31/Aug/2006, @04:04

Since the ratio starts at 50%, having 45% good means it is not good. And Celeste is actually being nice by saying that "35% isn't a very good rating", since 35% is pretty bad. Less than that wouldn't be just bad, it would be outright awful and hated, just like more than 70% is scored by good apps and more than 80% only by those being very good.

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Re: I don't like her
by lippel on Thursday 31/Aug/2006, @04:19

> I think she should be more open to comunity requests and KDE should pay a
> litle less atention to "usability experts" and focus on what users want!

Yeah, what do users want? And who are the users? bugs.kde.org/kde-apps.org are not representative for the whole user base.

If KDE would add an option for every possible feature requested on bugs.kde.org or kde-apps.org, we would end up with approximately 30 configure pages per application and 100 for kcontrol.
Nobody would be able to find any option in there.
Not to mention that it would cause bugs and annoying behaviour in weird combinations of options developers haven't thought about.

There is a range of sane strategies between "remove all options" and "add all features someone somewhere suggested". The latter isn't a sane one for sure.

To comment one of your arguments from kde-apps.org:

> takes the mouse control out of the user for a nanosec(how many clicks can u
> make in a nano secs ?! )

More important, the mouse cursor is somewhere else than it was before, which is confiusing and leads to unpredictable behaviour. Also, an accidental click would lead to errors. And why don't you just user the return key?

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Re: I don't like her
by R on Thursday 31/Aug/2006, @06:47

> More important, the mouse cursor is somewhere else than it was before,
> which is confiusing and leads to unpredictable behaviour. Also, an
> accidental click would lead to errors. And why don't you just user the
> return key?

I concur. It also about control. Throwing the pointer automatically around the screen causes the user to lose the feeling of control of the system thus decreasing the feeling of trust and easiness of use.

If somebody really, really, really wants this option, I think it should be done as a separate add-on.

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Re: I don't like her
by Pietro on Thursday 31/Aug/2006, @04:28

I want this too. Logitech mouse drivers for Windows have this feature and after switching to linux I miss it very much.

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Re: I don't like her
by Sebastian Kügler on Thursday 31/Aug/2006, @06:25

You're missing the point that good usability advice is based on research, knowledge and experience in the field. "Democracy" --especially the kind of democracy where you only count those that are vocal in a very limited sample-- is quite a bad basis for usability advice.

Apparently this makes a certain change of culture necessary, but I'm sure it's a change for the better.

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Re: I don't like her
by Sebastian Kügler on Thursday 31/Aug/2006, @06:26

Ow, and I might add that you should not take this kind of thing personal. :-)

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Re: I don't like her
by Leo S on Thursday 31/Aug/2006, @09:16

And let's say it was taken to a fair vote, majority rules; you will still lose, as the rating for that wish is under 50%. Face it, most people don't like that feature.

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Re: I don't like her
by Simon Edwards on Thursday 31/Aug/2006, @11:59

zvonsully, have you ever used any software that did what you are requesting?

I have once, very briefly, it was a truly horrid experience.

--
Simon

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Who cares if you like her?
by Kjetil Kilhavn on Thursday 31/Aug/2006, @12:54

As long as no-one forces the "move to default button" I don't care if they implement it. Press the Enter button if you wish to press the default button - it helps you avoid repetetive stress injuries too!

I am one of those 55% who don't want it - we're still the majority :-P

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