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  NewsForge: Kalzium Creator Brings the Periodic Table to Life
Applications Posted by Jonathan Riddell on Thursday 31/Aug/2006, @02:38
from the dihydrogen-oxide dept.
NewsForge reports on how Kalzium was created. 'As a teacher in Lower Saxony, Germany, one of Niehaus' main goals when developing Kalzium (the German word for Calcium) was to write an application that was both a teaching and a learning tool. "I want to be able to demonstrate things and I also want my students to be able to learn things from Kalzium and to use it as a reference," he says.'


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great
by superstoned on Thursday 31/Aug/2006, @04:18
great article! and Carsten did a wonderfull job on Kalzium - the KDE 4 version is gonna be very cool with the openGL stuff ;-)
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  • Re: great
    by Mark Williamson on Thursday 31/Aug/2006, @08:21
    Are there any specific plans for OpenGL stuff? I've not heard of any concrete plans.
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    • Re: great
      by Benoit Jacob on Thursday 31/Aug/2006, @08:43
      Well, you can already see part of it working in SVN. Currently, the rendering of molecules is implemented and already quite optimized, with a special focus on machines without hardware acceleration. The things that remain to be done are: a comfortable mouse-based 3d navigation system, the ability to display some information like angles and element names in the 3D view, and a few other things. We also plan to do the same for crystal structures -- currently there is only a molecule viewer, but we'll also add a crystal viewer.

      You can read more about that in Carsten's blog or in some commit-digest.
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      • Re: great
        by Carsten Niehaus on Thursday 31/Aug/2006, @10:14
        For the interested: This is the URL to my blog

        http://cniehaus.livejournal.com/

        These two might be interesting WRT to OpenGL.

        http://cniehaus.livejournal.com/23572.html
        http://cniehaus.livejournal.com/24404.html
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        • Re: great
          by Mark Williamson on Thursday 31/Aug/2006, @17:56
          Wow, pretty molecules! :-)

          I'm curious: who do you see as the users you're aiming for with Kalzium? It looks like it's acquiring features that would be useful to progressively more advanced students of chemistry - would you say this is true?

          The ability to work with chemical equations would certainly have been useful to me back when I studied chemistry in school, but I understand in Kalzium that's now supported too :-)

          Cool stuff! Had you considered providing any wikipedia integration, by the way? Obviously Kalzium can offer many things that wikipedia can't, but it'd maybe not be too hard to provide links or integrated views of wiki content for those who like to read more verbose descriptions of things, or research related information? Just an idea, anyhow.
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          • Re: great
            by cm on Thursday 31/Aug/2006, @22:36
            I don't know about the current status but it is on the list of ideas for integration of KDE and Wikipedia:

            http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/KDE_and_Wikipedia
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          • Re: great
            by Carsten Niehaus on Friday 01/Sep/2006, @00:40
            > who do you see as the users you're aiming for with Kalzium?

            As a teacher: Students (uni+school). But of course also just everybody who needs access to chemical information. All the new features are more for the professional, yes. But I try to keep the GUI simple, so that shouldn't be a problem.
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      • Re: great
        by Geoff Hutchison on Tuesday 05/Sep/2006, @08:37
        I should also point out with Benoit and Carsten's responses, that some of the Kalzium 3D Open GL code is going into a new Qt/KDE project for more advanced viewing/editing of molecules, crystals, and other chemistry data.

        This is code-named "Avogadro" and we're working pretty closely with the Kalzium project to share code as much as possible. (Hopefully there will eventually just be one OpenGL widget.)
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Schrodinger's equation
by John Tapsell on Thursday 31/Aug/2006, @05:25
Hi,
It would be neat if it used schrodinger's equation and showed what the atom looks like and the distribution of the electrons.

:-)

John
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  • Re: Schrodinger's equation
    by Wade Olson on Thursday 31/Aug/2006, @07:22
    He was planning on using that equation to hook up Kalzium to Kat, but that project may or may not be dead.
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    • Re: Schrodinger's equation
      by cm on Thursday 31/Aug/2006, @08:17
      Hook both up to the G System and an instance of Kolab, pour a fresh cup of really hot tea into the CD drive, and they will come to life.

      <maniacal frankensteinian laughter />
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    • Re: Schrodinger's equation
      by Carsten Niehaus on Thursday 31/Aug/2006, @10:12
      I talked with Jos about Stringe (the "successor" of Kat). As Jos is currently doing the DBus-binding-stuff I will add support for it soon (as soon as Jos finished it and I learned DBus :)
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      • Re: Schrodinger's equation
        by Wade Olson on Thursday 31/Aug/2006, @11:24
        Man, how rare is it when you can make a bad pun on Schrodinger's cat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schrodingers_cat) and an accurate statement by accident. Good times.
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      • Re: Schrodinger's equation
        by superstoned on Saturday 02/Sep/2006, @02:36
        hey, Jos got the dbus bindings more or less working. it won't be long until he does another release, and hopefully, by then, you can have a look at it...
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Gratz!
by Philip Rodrigues on Thursday 31/Aug/2006, @11:34
Congrats to Carsten on the great publicity. And, since it's from their department, I can't resist posting (for those who haven't seen them) <a href="http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html">the facts about dihydrogen monoxide</a>. :-)
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  • Re: Gratz!
    by Philip Rodrigues on Thursday 31/Aug/2006, @13:21
    ...and so Phil learnt why he should use the preview button. D'oh!
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  • Re: Gratz!
    by cm on Thursday 31/Aug/2006, @22:25
    You shouldn't be posting links to such dangerous stuff on the dot, be the topic of the article related to chemistry or not. I've heard that this stuff was recently even banned from planes in the UK.





    ;-)
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Kalzium vs Periodic Table 4
by Marc Driftmeyer on Thursday 31/Aug/2006, @13:47
http://www.synergycreations.com/periodic/index.html

When Kalzium trumps this application then we'll have something to really celebrate.
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  • Re: Kalzium vs Periodic Table 4
    by ac on Thursday 31/Aug/2006, @13:55
    Could you be more specific? What features does that program have that are missing in Kalzium?
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    • Re: Kalzium vs Periodic Table 4
      by Marc Driftmeyer on Friday 01/Sep/2006, @19:18
      http://www.reanimality.com/hidden/Quick_Reference.jpg

      The equation tool in Kalzium is nice and the application has matured immensely. Competition breeds best of breed. I expect with the resources possible from KDE that Kalzium can really be an example of an useful Scientific application any university/graduate student/professional could leverage.

      Constructive criticism and challenge always brings out the best.
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  • Re: Kalzium vs Periodic Table 4
    by Me or somebody like me on Thursday 31/Aug/2006, @17:16
    You are an asshole, whether you know it or not!

    In case you don't know it, let me explain why:

    1) You fail to explain yourself fully and offer nothing in the form of constructive criticism.

    2) The intent of your post is to rain on somebody else's parade, rather than improve an existing application. If the latter had been your intent, you would have filed bugs or wish requests in a timely and ongoing manner with the developers.

    So get a life while you can because people around you must surely know how much it stinks to be surrounded by someone who can only express vitriol towards others.
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    • Re: Kalzium vs Periodic Table 4
      by AC on Thursday 31/Aug/2006, @17:21
      He's just jealous :o)
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  • Re: Kalzium vs Periodic Table 4
    by Carsten Niehaus on Friday 01/Sep/2006, @00:36
    Please tell me what that app is able to do what Kalzium can't. And believe me, Kalzium has several features that app has not ;-)

    What Kalzium is missing is for example the customizable gradient-view (http://www.synergycreations.com/periodic/screenshots/deltahf.png), but I am not sure if that doesn't just make the UI more complex... But I do want the log-scale, yes.
    Then the "Element box" is configurable". Kalzium offers two default "element boxes" and I think that is enough. Of course, I could add a third or make it configurable as well... Not sure if that is really needed...

    http://www.synergycreations.com/periodic/screenshots/deltahf.png is possible in Kalzium as well, it just looks better ;-)

    Don't tell me you like this dialog better http://www.synergycreations.com/periodic/screenshots/pd-isotope.jpg than Kalzium's (for example http://edu.kde.org/kalzium/pics/screen2.png).

    I would love to have this one... But I'd need help there. http://www.synergycreations.com/alchemist/index.html
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Update on the Equation Solver
by Carsten Niehaus on Friday 01/Sep/2006, @01:05
For one, I finally added a screenshot of it to the homepage:

http://edu.kde.org/kalzium/pics/kalzium-eq-solver.png

Then I got confimation that the solver is finally working in Debian SID and probably also in Debian Testing.
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teaching
by furangu on Friday 01/Sep/2006, @12:39
I always asked myself what's the use of periodic table applications.

Maybe it makes sense to integrate videos etc. about the elements and their reaction groups or add real educational content e.g. sample experiments.
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  • Re: teaching
    by Carsten Niehaus on Friday 01/Sep/2006, @13:07
    well, there are about 1000 to 2000 experiments of which I own descriptions (books, printouts, schoolbooks). Which of those do you film? If "all" is the answer kalzium will have about 2 gig data.
    if you have nice video-material about an element or something, please publish it in the wikipedia (commons.wikipedia.org), Kalzium could make use of it in that case.
    I don't own a videocam, therefor I need free content for those things.
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