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Re: i maybe missed something
by JC on Friday 27/Oct/2006, @06:49
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This is exactly the question I asked to my mind. There is no KDE related announcement.
When they post here, are they doing the same on x.org, gnome, kernel.org, etc etc ???
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Re: i maybe missed something
by Kevin Kofler on Friday 27/Oct/2006, @07:28
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Just clarifying, it's not "they" who posted this newsitem here, it's me. I don't speak for the Fedora Project, I'm not a Fedora Ambassador.
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Re: i maybe missed something
by Hans on Friday 27/Oct/2006, @08:39
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I am intrested in more news of that kind. Thanks for posting it here.
I would like to see a KDE information page where you can select your distribution and automatically get references to the latest official or inofficial distribution package pages.
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Re: i maybe missed something
by Kefah Issa on Friday 27/Oct/2006, @09:30
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IMO, the Fedora project is one of the most important distributions out there. Fedora also seem to be on the right track (if not a head of others) in terms of system optimization. So, apart from the lack of an excellent support to KDE ( which is being provided by kde-redhat community ); I believe Fedora should get all the attention it needs.
-- I'm not the ambassador of fedora either :-) --
Thank you for posting.
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Re: i maybe missed something
by Blargh... on Friday 27/Oct/2006, @09:31
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Apparently, there is some Fedora fan that whined in the previous story that Kubuntu has announcements on dot.kde.org but not Fedora. The site admins, being nice, have indulged him. Mind, I'm all for being nice and all, but doesn't Fedora default to GNOME? What's next, an announcement for every distro under the sun that happens to have some KDE stuff somewhere in its package repository?
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Re: i maybe missed something
by Bruno Patini Furtado on Friday 27/Oct/2006, @09:39
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I think the post is relevant because of the popularity Fedora has. But indeed, Fedora's KDE has not the same treatment of GNOME, in fact, KDE seems to have no polishing at all at Fedora.
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Re: i maybe missed something
by Blargh... on Friday 27/Oct/2006, @09:49
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That's pretty much my point. Fedora is not *quite* the most popular distro out there, and if you count the market share of people who actually use KDE under Fedora, that number drops much, much lower still. And I thought this site was for KDE news, not a duplicate of distrowatch.
If this was about pressuring Fedora into stopping to treat KDE like a second-class citizen, though, it'd be a different thing. Are the Fedora-using people here willing to have a go at it?
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Re: i maybe missed something
by OMG on Monday 06/Nov/2006, @00:36
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Fedora is a community run distro. It is not controlled by evil mind-flayers from RH.
If there is something you dont like about the KDE packages, its up to you fix them, or at least just quietly use your distro of choice without spreading FUD.
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Re: i maybe missed something
by Greg M on Friday 27/Oct/2006, @11:46
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The lack of polishing is exactly why I like KDE on Fedora. You get KDE, not FOO distro's version of KDE.
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Re: i maybe missed something
by JC on Saturday 28/Oct/2006, @13:00
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This is why I'm not using fedora. I like and want to use Linux. Not fedora.
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Re: i maybe missed something
by Blargh... on Friday 27/Oct/2006, @09:41
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Hmm, I think that came out as more aggressive than I intended it. Sorry, guys. I guess I'm a little miffed. I thought this site was intended for KDE news; I really can't see why generic distro announcements should be posted here, especially distros with a marked focus on other environments than KDE. It's cool that the Fedora guys are doing a good job with generic optimizations and such; but there are a lot of distros that are doing cool things and I'd rather not have this site turn into a sounding board for their respective fans. :/
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Re: i maybe missed something
by Blargh... on Friday 27/Oct/2006, @10:01
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Ah, there, here's a much better wording of just what I meant:
http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2486
I knew there had to be someone out there with the ability to express my feelings in better terms than I do. :)
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Re: i maybe missed something
by Kevin Kofler on Friday 27/Oct/2006, @09:44
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You can install FC6 with only KDE (uncheck GNOME, check KDE, bingo!).
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Re: i maybe missed something
by Blargh... on Friday 27/Oct/2006, @09:55
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I know, and I never said you can't. Please kindly don't deform what I said. Thing is, you can remove GNOME and install KDE in about 95% of the distros out there. And many of them are doing a better job of packaging KDE than Fedora does, for that matter. Shouldn't THOSE get to announce their releases here, rather than one whose sub-par treatment of KDE has probably caused more harm to its image than not?
(BTW: I know what you're thinking, and no, the distro I currently use isn't one of those. I use Gentoo, and its packaging of KDE is approximative at best. And I have no desire to see Gentoo announcements appear on this site.)
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Re: i maybe missed something
by Bruno Patini Furtado on Friday 27/Oct/2006, @10:05
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If you really like KDE, you won't use Fedora (if you have the choice). :)
So many other distros do a much better job with it, it would have no point to use Fedora if the only reason is to use KDE.
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Re: i maybe missed something
by Kevin Kofler on Friday 27/Oct/2006, @10:36
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I'm running KDE on Fedora since FC1, and did before on RHL. And I know I'm not the only one. Heck, the University of Vienna's Mathematics department has all their computers on Red Hat family distros (it used to be RHL, then Fedora, now it's the RHEL-derived Scientific Linux) with KDE as default. So I fail to see how this is not a viable option.
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Re: i maybe missed something
by Carsten Niehaus on Friday 27/Oct/2006, @11:40
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I guess you mean: https://www.scientificlinux.org/
That sounds indeed *really* cool (I am a chemist, so that is what *I* want on many computer ;-) To quote the german Wikipedia:
"Scientific Linux ist eine Linux-Distribution, die auf der Linux-Distribution Red Hat Enterprise Linux der Firma Red Hat aufbaut, und zu dieser kompatibel ist. Die Distribution wird vor allen Dingen von Entwicklern am Fermilab und am CERN weiterentwickelt."
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Re: i maybe missed something
by NoNoFedora on Tuesday 31/Oct/2006, @16:41
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I dropped RedHat/Fedora since Core 1 for its "gnomocentrizm". And for the same reason news about distros like these should not appear on the KDE news site.
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Re: i maybe missed something
by OMG on Monday 06/Nov/2006, @00:33
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Where do you classify distros that dont default to anything?
Really, do try to grow up.
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Re: i maybe missed something
by liquidat on Friday 27/Oct/2006, @09:36
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Erm - Kubuntu was covered by the message just before this one.
And it is related to KDE: KDE is included in the release, and although it is a second class citizen in Fedora Core you can perfectly work with it. I do :)
And why not post such stuff here? It gives a bit back to the distributions who care about including KDE and shipping it.
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Re: i maybe missed something
by Patcito on Friday 27/Oct/2006, @15:26
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Well, consider http://kde-redhat.sourceforge.net as the K in RedHat just like kubuntu is the K in Ubuntu.
Kevin Kofler and his team are doing an amazing job for kde users that needs/have to run Fedora , without the team there would be no kde in Fedora or at least not as good. So thanx Kevin and all the kde-redhat team for bringing KDE to Fedora/RedHat which by the way is still one of the most used distro outthere so it's cool to have a KDE presence on it.
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Re: i maybe missed something
by Kevin Kofler on Friday 27/Oct/2006, @15:47
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Hey, give credit where credit is due. :-) kde-redhat is run by Rex Dieter, not me! I have not produced a single published kde-redhat package yet. (I have KDE 4 snapshot packages almost ready though. Hopefully I'll find the time to do the final polishing soon so Rex can push them to the repository.) I actually run the Fedora-provided KDE 3 packages, so I'm not involved in kde-redhat's KDE 3 packaging.
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Re: i maybe missed something
by vm on Saturday 28/Oct/2006, @11:57
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that is not true. kubuntu is an oficial ubuntu project. The site you refer to has nothing to do with redhat or fedora. redhat's official position on kde is that right now they are tolerating it because of its demand but we are working to get rid of kde if we can. we are doing our best, in concert with ubuntu and novell, to market the hell outta gnome so it will be possible in the future.
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Re: i maybe missed something
by The Badger on Monday 30/Oct/2006, @05:09
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Whether the commenter is misrepresenting Red Hat's strategic position or not, the technical aspects of Red Hat's KDE packages speak for themselves: bizarre application defaults (yes, let's use some broken GNOME document viewer instead of kpdf), missing applications in the default install (Kontact replaced with Evolution). It surprises me that you don't get Nautilus as the default file manager, although it actually is the default if you open directories in Firefox. And this is their Enterprise Linux, not some Fedora version that you can claim is "unpolished" or whatever other excuse comes to mind.
Red Hat have been doctoring their KDE packages for a very long time, and the resulting deliverables can't usually be regarded as improvements. I guess that's why the independent KDE package scene is so vibrant, although the dependency chasm between the two sets of packages was so wide when I last ran Red Hat it was quite a scary move to make the switch.
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Re: i maybe missed something
by vm on Saturday 04/Nov/2006, @16:57
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Go to http://kde-redhat.sourceforge.net and read the disclaimer.
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Re: i maybe missed something
by vm on Saturday 04/Nov/2006, @17:01
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Do you think that a major linux distro such as redhat, which is making more profits than any other linux company, wouldn't hire their own people to package KDE for their distro ? Does it have to be packaged by independent people eager to see KDE available for fedora/redhat ?
I live in Raleigh, NC and have been to RH HQ several times - don't call me a troll. I have met many RH developers at Triangle LUG also.
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