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Re: Status of khtml
by SadEagle on Sunday 29/Oct/2006, @19:55
No. It means that people who like the idea of Unity are continuing to work on it in Apple's repository, not KDE's.
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Re: Status of khtml
by Carewolf on Sunday 29/Oct/2006, @23:36
Which is another way of saying there is no unity (with small 'u') ;)
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  • Re: Status of khtml
    by fred on Monday 30/Oct/2006, @02:36
    So how will it effect our beloved KHTML and Konqueror? Does it mean that the KHTML team splits into KHTML and Unity + Webkit? I would really cry if we lost KHTML and Konqueror, especially for KDE 4 which IMO really needs a decent browser...
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    • Re: Status of khtml
      by SadEagle on Monday 30/Oct/2006, @06:39
      Thus far, this project doesn't affect KHTML at all, since it doesn't resolve the issues relevant to KHTML development. Basically, the Unity answer is "throw out 3+ years for work, and do unpaid work for Apple under their rules".
      One or both parts of this have to be changed for this stuff to be anything more than a new target of a fork. May be they'll be changed, may be they won't, but don't consider anything definite.
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      • Re: Status of khtml
        by fred on Monday 30/Oct/2006, @08:59
        Ok, after reading your comments at least I know that the status is still uncertain now. I wish all the best for the developers and thanks for all your great work on KHTML and Konqueror!
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      • Re: Status of khtml
        by Andre Somers on Monday 30/Oct/2006, @09:41
        May I ask out of what position you make this statement. Are you a KHTML dev yourself (or close to that group) so you have inside knowledge of this, or are you just conjecturing? I find your comment interesting, but it would be good to know your position when interpretting it.
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        • Re: Status of khtml
          by cartman on Monday 30/Oct/2006, @11:40
          SadEagle is a well known KDE/KHTML hacker, if you don't know him you don't read SVN commits ;)
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          • Re: Status of khtml
            by Andre Somers on Monday 30/Oct/2006, @11:59
            That's right, I don't. That's why I asked here. :-) Thanks for clarifying!
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      • Re: Status of khtml
        by Thomas on Monday 30/Oct/2006, @10:07
        Interesting this is...

        > do unpaid work for Apple under their rules

        I thought the appeal of unity is the other way round. KDE profits from further developments of the Safari-team inside Apple. It's supposed to be a win-win situation, as Apple does pay some developers to work on an OSS project...

        I think the biggest argument speaking against unity is that khtml is elegant and does little compromises in terms of code cleanness and quality, whereas apples fork of khtml got some unattractive modifications (probably in quick'n'dirty style). It's the way software has to be done in the big business, but just not the usual style of an OSS project and especially not of KDE...
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        • Re: Status of khtml
          by Carewolf on Monday 30/Oct/2006, @13:54
          That argument is a little dead now. Actually Apple are doing a lot to clean up the code and there are many ugly parts in KDE KHTML as well.

          The problem is more that WebKit is still predominately developed for Safari, which means we either are forced to fork or follow Apple releases. Secondly that all patches has to be beneficial to Apple, because they can approve and disapprove patches, but not the other way around.

          So the problem that needs to be resolved is some way to avoid being forcefed Apple dogfood.
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          • Re: Status of khtml
            by germain on Tuesday 31/Oct/2006, @16:16
            > Actually Apple are doing a lot to clean up the code

            As Nietzsche puts it "Who wears cleaned rags will be cleanly dressed without doubt, but dressed with rags nevertheless".
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Re: Status of khtml
by Mikun on Monday 30/Oct/2006, @00:53
What it could actually mean is that KHTML developers are splitting. That would be a big mistake, IMHO, specially for the ones that remain at the old KHTML project. Even if just a third of KHTML start developing Webkit, there is no way KHTML can compete with the combined might of Webkit and a those new KHTML developers.
I guess KDE4's Konqueror webbrowser should be able to switch between both engines. But in the long run KHTML would fall behind.

Just my 2c.
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  • Re: Status of khtml
    by Thorsten Schnebeck on Monday 30/Oct/2006, @02:18
    I think its only a new home:
    http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-commits&m=116162004313833&w=2

    Bye

    Thorsten
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