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Re: off topic remark
by superstoned on Wednesday 14/Feb/2007, @10:50
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It's still a testbed. Might turn into the new filemanager, but it's also possible every usefull feature will be ported back to konqueror and it'll go...
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god please no
by KDE User on Wednesday 14/Feb/2007, @17:28
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Please don't remove the location bar like GNOME did for their stupid file dialog. This is awful and unusable for our users and breaks the paridigm for nothing. :(
I hope this Dolphin doesn't switch the Yes/No dialog buttons either. :(
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Re: god please no
by Jucato on Wednesday 14/Feb/2007, @21:23
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I encourage you to first try out the latest stable version of Dolphin to really see its potential. I'm a die-hard Konqueror fan, But I do think that there are things that Dolphin gets right. That's not mentioning a cleaner code beneath.
The location bar in Dolphin is not removed. The devs would be crazy to do that. The button (or shorcut keys) to show it is clearly there. But the breadcrumb widget itself is more than a match for what Nautilus currently has.
Dolphin is apparently meant to be a light, simple, and fast file manager. It can never really replace Konqueror in functionality. So Konqi won't be going away anytime soon. I do hope, though, that a lot of this work will be somehow applied to Konqueror, too.
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Re: god please no
by Troy Unrau on Thursday 15/Feb/2007, @16:26
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Dolphin and konq share things like icon views, and so forth. So improvements to Dolphin are also improving konq. Which is a good thing, because Dolphin, while a very smooth file manager, just does not have the power user functionality that I've come to rely on from konq. Things like splitting panes and then doing drag and drop from an ftp site to my server via fish, and so forth.
So, Dolphin will improve konq. and provide an easier to use file manager for more basic user needs. Analogous to how kwrite is a simplified kate, with reused components... (I know it's not a 1:1 analogy, but it's simple enough)
So it's all good. :)
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Re: off topic remark
by Corbin on Wednesday 14/Feb/2007, @18:23
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My information may be a little out of date, but last I heard Dolphin was simply going to be a test bed for the KDE4 file manager, but isn't actually going to be the KDE4 file manager.
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Re: off topic remark
by Troy Unrau on Thursday 15/Feb/2007, @16:28
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Dolphin was moved into kdebase, and is planned to become the default handler for file:/, as well as the default file manager listed in the apps menu.
That said, konq is not going away, and improvements to dolphin also improve konq, since they share libraries, such as the icon view.
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Re: off topic remark
by KDE User on Thursday 15/Feb/2007, @17:03
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This is doubly bad for Konq because the exposure that most users get to Konqueror Web Browser is through the filemanager because *most* distributions change the default web browser to firefox. So the only time you see Konqueror is when you click on it for file management, oh and then you find out it's world-class web browser and keep using it for everything.
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Re: off topic remark
by Troy Unrau on Friday 16/Feb/2007, @08:47
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This varies greatly depending on the distro. On Kubuntu, I don't even have firefox installed, nevermind it being the default browser. And distros like gentoo of course always let the user decide.
Some KDE specific distros (I'll use kubuntu as the example again, since that's what I know best) are even moving openoffice out in favour of koffice as the default.
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Re: off topic remark
by MamiyaOtaru on Wednesday 14/Feb/2007, @23:07
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I'll only use Dolphin if it has a tree view (of only directories) in a separate panel, and if there is an address field where I can type in where I want to go (and is on by default, or can be made so). Dolphin from the screenshots I have seen does not have these, and so is of no interest to me.
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Re: off topic remark
by Jucato on Thursday 15/Feb/2007, @00:40
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Dolphin may not currently have a tree view like the one in Konqueror's navigation panel. But it has something that's equally functional, and might even actually be better.
When you click and hold on a folder name button in the breadcrumb widget, you get a dropdown list of the subdirectories in that folder. A picture speaks a thousand words, so this screenshot might explain it better.
Note: This is a screenshot of Dolphin 0.8.1 on KDE 3.5.6
http://jucato.org/stuff/dolphin.png
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Re: off topic remark
by reldruh on Thursday 15/Feb/2007, @01:20
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Wow. That is a pretty pretty file manager. When I first heard about dolphin my first thought was why would anybody want to replace konqueror. I understand now, although I think I'd still rather see a lot of those changes ported to konqueror instead of having them in a separate application.
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Re: off topic remark
by fish on Thursday 15/Feb/2007, @03:27
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Oh no, please...
I gave dolphin a try and didn't like it at all. Can it do ftp'ing? I didn't get it to work...also, looots of space on the left (in the sidebar) is empty and wasted for nothing...not excited at all, sorry guys.
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Re: off topic remark
by fish on Thursday 15/Feb/2007, @03:35
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And yeah, where's the Krusader/MidnightCommander like shortcuts?
I miss being able to move files and do things with the F Keys...
And yeah, I still think Krusader should be the default filemanager for KDE!
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Re: off topic remark
by Jucato on Thursday 15/Feb/2007, @04:49
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I think it's a bit unfair to be looking for Krusader/MC shortcuts in an app that doesn't even try to emulate/imitate Krusader/MC.
http://enzosworld.gmxhome.de/ explains what Dolphin is and what it aims to be. And what it currently has.
As for KIO, I have tested it to handle the following protocols already:
home:/, file:/, system:/, media:/, remote:/, applications:/, sftp:/, and ftp:/
I can't test fish:/ and smb:/ as I have no way of testing these.
So, as for your other question, yes, Dolphin works with FTP/SFTP.
(I find this all extremely strange, as I'm a hardcore Konqueror lover/user, and yet here I am talking about Dolphin...)
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Re: off topic remark
by Richard Van Den Boom on Friday 16/Feb/2007, @01:43
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The only thing I know about Dolphin are screenshots making it look roughly like Gimp's load/save boxes (I said roughly...), with the path as buttons and things like that.
I just wanted to say that personnaly, I absolutely hate this stuff and that since Gimp has put it in, it takes thrice as much time to just load or save a file than before. Being unable to cut/paste a path using the good X11 middle button is something I'm really furious against.
For the same reason, the full tree on the right side is incredibly more efficient than hovering over a directory name to see the other subdirectories : I can visualize the full tree by just rolling the wheel of my mouse and quickly find directories I've been searching for. Partial views make it a lot more complicated to do so.
And as a matter of fact, Konqueror being a file manager and a browser is absolutely perfect for me and a great idea, in particular ssh, telnet and ftp accesses. I miss it so much on other systems where I need to fire several apps to do the same.
There are things that need to be changed, I suppose, for KDE 4, but the Konqueror concept is not one IMHO.
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