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Re: default filemanager
by Andre on Saturday 24/Feb/2007, @01:58

>KOffice needs better M$ filters. Can the new DOC to ODF filters be integrated?
AFAIK: No. OO.org is converting to it's internal representation, not to ODF. That makes it very hard, if not impossible to reuse in KOffice.

Personally, I think it is more important to really have a *good* ODF support.

>3D: IF, then "real 3D" à la looking glass, not a "2D+" à la compiz, please!
No, thank you. I have never seen a usefull 3D interface just yet. Sure, some 3D effects can be usefull and make the environment very good looking, but I think a complete 3D interface is just nonsence while we still have 2D monitors.

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Re: default filemanager
by Tim Beaulen on Saturday 24/Feb/2007, @02:47

And add to that that most people can't see 3D, only 2D. Lots of people do not have a perception of depth.

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Re: default filemanager
by illogic-al on Sunday 25/Feb/2007, @06:54

You forgot to cite the recent study where 88% of respondents admitted this.
/end_sarcasm

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Re: default filemanager
by Jakob Petsovits on Saturday 24/Feb/2007, @02:58

Well, if Sun can do a Word<->ODF converter on Windows (even if using half of OpenOffice internally) then it should theoretically be possible to have something similar for KOffice. Or maybe have OpenOffice as optional runtime dependency and use it for converting MS Office documents to ODF documents by calling it from the command line and reusing this output.

Maybe Sun's new filter for MS Word will get OpenOffice some more refactoring so that the converter part can be used seriously as a library in some time.

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Re: default filemanager
by sulla on Saturday 24/Feb/2007, @04:04

Thats what I ment. Probably one could use this converter and execute it from the KOffice load dialog as a command line script when accessing a word file. As long as it makes the word file acessible in Kword, I wouldn't mind the fulter using some OO library or even java...

As for 3D: thats why I put "IF" in capital letters: I also don't think that 3D is a good idea per se. I don't think the compiz effects are useful. Its no 3D after all, just using some 3D engines of the graphics card. I liked Suns idea however to attach notes to the back side of windows, thats real 3D. and if you move windows in the background they become smaller. And the 3D CD-changer also looks cool. But this is all real 3D, i.e. 2D windows live in a real 3D space. Of course, the apps are all 2D themselves. However, I could imagine a spreadsheet document having 3D data like today you have a 2D table and several sheets one beside the other...

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Re: office converter
by laurencevde on Saturday 24/Feb/2007, @13:33

I'd also like to see a many-to-many command-line office-format-conversiontool. Would fix most, if not all, of our worries and duplicate work.

As for your 3D: The resolution of the current monitors is actually quite low for doing that kind of stuff: the windows would quickly start becoming fuzzy and unreadable if you make them smaller/zoom them out...

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Re: office converter
by superstoned on Monday 26/Feb/2007, @01:55

probably OO.o could make it possible to convert MS office doc's to ODF from the commandline (though you'd have to wait for OO.o to start in the background, which means you'd have to wait 5 minutes to convert a file) but then they'd have to spend time on it, to no real benefit to OO.o users, and why would sun do that?

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Re: default filemanager
by Aaron Seigo on Saturday 24/Feb/2007, @15:04

this is a HUGE amount of work, beyond the resources the koffice team currently have. they've rightfully prioritized features, stability and ODF ahead of this. new efforts are not discouraged, of course!

for ms office integration there is OOo. not perfect, but it works just fine in kde and helps resolve the ms office issue in the immediate term.

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