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Re: default filemanager
by Aaron Seigo on Saturday 24/Feb/2007, @15:07

> I can't see any reason why having a different app for
> browsing and file management is preferable.

for many it isn't. for many more it is.

we're trying not to force our (or your) perception and preferences on them. we're also trying to optimize for the majority, nor are we trying to ship hobbled apps (people assume so little of the final state of dolphin *sigh*)

so if you can't see a reason for different apps, rejoice.
for those who do, now they can rejoice too.

what a concept! it's like we dropped the chocolate in the peanutbutter!

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Re: default filemanager
by Richard Van Den Boom on Sunday 25/Feb/2007, @00:03

>for many it isn't. for many more it is.
And what are you basing this claim on? Any statistics, any poll that proves this?
Or are you just basing this claim on what you think is the good thing, based on some personal experiences?
My personal experiences, for what it's worth, tells that it does not really matter. The whole world statistics, showing that most people use Explorer which is at the same time a web browser and a file manager, seem to prove you wrong, beginners easily use the same app for both tasks.

Well... anyway, I'm probably making too much noise about this, since the willingness seems to make both apps live, I guess there's not much point being worried.

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Re: default filemanager
by illogic-al on Sunday 25/Feb/2007, @07:36

Of course we have the statistics, here they are:

66% of the universe agrees, adding dolphin as the default file manager will not cause KDE to implde upon itself.

Happy?

MY FAVORITE line of yours however has got to be this one:
>Or are you just basing this claim on what you think is the good thing, based on some personal experiences?
Much like you and you "wife" mayhaps?

but this one comes pretty close too:
>The whole world statistics, showing that most people use Explorer which is at the same time a web browser and a file manager, seem to prove you wrong, beginners easily use the same app for both tasks.

Ah the whole world statistics. So because users on a different system, who are largely unaware of alternatives choose to actually Live with what they are presented with, it is automatically good.
By your logic we can say that the jews absolutely loved their concentration camps. Good on yah sir. Good on yah.

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Re: default filemanager
by Sergio Pistone on Sunday 25/Feb/2007, @11:43

Are you really that stupid?

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Re: default filemanager
by superstoned on Monday 26/Feb/2007, @02:01

Come on, guys, let's not fight about this. We're KDE users, and many of us (including me) don't understand why anybody would use Gnome - it's less powerfull, and the so-called usability we don't care about. But many people seem to do, no matter what we thing or what 'statistics' we quote or use. Now KDE is adding an option for those who prefer this 'usability', without crippling the userinterface or removing capabilities in any way. This will help some people use KDE, and won't make a difference to us.

So WHY are we fighting about this?!?!? Please, a big hug, no more flames, and be happy...

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Re: default filemanager
by R Liden on Sunday 25/Feb/2007, @11:39

Well in all fairness by default is forcing a shift. I have been testing out an older stable version of Dolphin in the repos and reading Dolphins progress. It could be a good thing, but I'm still dubious. The interface seems overly simplistic and slightly lacking (no up arrow to navigate up and out of the directory tree).

I really don't want to see a shift towards:
1. Gnome UI -- because "simplicity" is the popular thing this year (just say no to the sparse wide fat huge buttons of gnome).

2. Firing up several applications that each perform a unique task -- This is especially a concern. I don't want to return to the thinking of yesteryear where we compartmentalize resource locations and functionality. I like that, now, I can edit files using Kate over SSH. I like that the remote server I'm working on is seamless to me. I don't want to fire up Kftpgrabber or FileZilla, a web browser, a minimalist file manager, a graphic viewer, etc.

Even with that concern I'll keep an open mind. After all an open mind is what drew me from gnome to KDE.

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Re: default filemanager
by superstoned on Monday 26/Feb/2007, @02:03

KDE is adding an option for those who prefer this 'usability', without crippling the userinterface or removing capabilities in any way. This will help some people use KDE, and won't make a difference to us who don't like it - Konqi won't go or lose anything. So let's assume the open mind doesn't go, allright?

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