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TechBase
by Lans on Sunday 25/Feb/2007, @13:52
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>> All hail techbase.kde.org
Word. It is very nice-looking (although it would be even better if it filled the whole browser width. Hah, can't stop complaining about that one, sorry) and contains useful information.
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Re: TechBase
by mart on Sunday 25/Feb/2007, @14:07
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Oh, come on. We all know backstage.kde.org was the better name. :)
* ducks and runs *
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Re: TechBase
by anonymous on Sunday 25/Feb/2007, @14:14
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Speaking of techbase... why? There was already wiki.kde.org
What does techbase give that was not possible there?
Will techbase become wiki.kde.org?
Will wiki.koffice.org migrate back to wiki.kde.org?
Also it's awesome to hear that phonon is taking off. Way to go everyone!
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Re: TechBase
by logixoul on Sunday 25/Feb/2007, @14:37
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> What does techbase give that was not possible there?
MediaWiki.
And no, wiki.kde.org will not change from TikiWiki as the admin likes that better. In fact he develops it.
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Re: TechBase
by AC on Sunday 25/Feb/2007, @15:50
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Tikiwiki is the only reason I stay away from wiki.kde.org as much as I can. It's really a shame that one of the most popular open source project has a wiki that is, to be kind, a mess.
Why can't we have a decent one just because a self-proclaimed admin don't allow to explore other options? How about a poll here on the dot? [/rant]
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Re: TechBase
by Leo S on Monday 26/Feb/2007, @00:06
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Oh dear god do I ever agree with you. I can't count how many times I've double clicked on a word in that wiki to select it and that stupid thing thinks I want to edit the page, and then warns me with a popup that the page is being edited by anonymous. Probably some other poor sod that accidentally clicked the page.
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Re: TechBase
by JohnFlux on Monday 26/Feb/2007, @03:05
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So true! I couldn't understand what happened the first time I did that.
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Re: TechBase
by logixoul on Monday 26/Feb/2007, @11:23
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You can disable that: Preferences » Use double-click to edit pages.
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Re: TechBase
by Anonymous Coward on Monday 26/Feb/2007, @00:29
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+1. Not only I hate it as a user, but when I tried to install it as an admin, I got scared how messy it is. MediaWiki is a lot more comfortable, and better of all, has a decent design.
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Re: TechBase
by superstoned on Monday 26/Feb/2007, @10:17
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well, it's not THAT bad, but I prefer mediawiki as well, and twiki (twiki.org) is very good as well - maybe even better than mediawiki.
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Re: TechBase
by logixoul on Monday 26/Feb/2007, @11:18
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> Tikiwiki is the only reason I stay away from wiki.kde.org as much as I can.
Same for me.
See also http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?comments_parentId=418&forumId=2 .
I've yet to respond on that one...
> It's really a shame that one of the most popular open source project has a wiki that is, to be kind, a mess.
Hey, it's only the user wiki, developers have a cool one... but yeah.
> Why can't we have a decent one just because a self-proclaimed admin don't allow to explore other options?
1. Are you offering your services as a committed admin of a MediaWikified wiki.kde.org? If no, you argument doesn't hold.
2. He says migrating the user database and complete history to MediaWiki is entirely too timeconsuming and that he'd rather improve our TikiWiki installation than go through the producedure. He's open to suggestions in channel #kde-wiki but he doesn't seem to have much time.
> How about a poll here on the dot?
Again, a poll is useless as there's no one to admin a KDE user MediaWiki.
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not that difficult
by MK on Monday 26/Feb/2007, @13:46
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> Again, a poll is useless as there's no one to admin a KDE user MediaWiki.
starting one should be easy: http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Wikia
if it grows I am sure we will find someone who will host it in the kde domain.
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Re: TechBase
by Diederik van der Boor on Monday 26/Feb/2007, @00:18
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> Speaking of techbase... why? There was already wiki.kde.org
> What does techbase give that was not possible there?
The contents of developer.kde.org will be moved there. Using a Wiki makes it easier to maintain. KDE Techbase is KDE's answer to MSDN and Apple's Developer Connection sites.
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Re: TechBase
by Aaron J. Seigo on Monday 26/Feb/2007, @00:25
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> There was already wiki.kde.org
techbase is a(n eventual) replacement for developer.kde.org, kde.org/areas/sysadmin and other related web pages. techbase is a wiki, but it is not analogous to wiki.kde.org.
techbase is specifically, stricly and only for technical information of interest to developers (community and ISV), sysadmins and system integrators. it is there to drive kde development internally as well as provide resources external parties.
quality, organization and coverage are all high priorities. wiki.kde.org is a bit more of a free-for-all when it comes to these sorts of things. while community involvement in techbase is encouraged and supported (that's why it's a wiki, for instance) the techbase team actually does maintain the content and structure.
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Re: TechBase
by Carlo on Sunday 25/Feb/2007, @17:21
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> although it would be even better if it filled the whole browser width.
True.
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Re: TechBase
by Diederik van der Boor on Monday 26/Feb/2007, @00:28
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> although it would be even better if it filled the whole browser width.
False.
No seriously. I agree on pages with a fixed height. This is line a stamp, really annoying. A maximum width on the other hand is actually good design. The paragraph length remains consistent, the number of words at one line can be optimized for best readability.
Everyone who've used Latex probably knows about this. There are in fact scientific studies how large a page margin and line width should be. Open any academic book and you'll notice the large margin space, and number of words at one line. Sites with a good width are easier to read _if and only if_ the width is in "em" so it scales with the font size.
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Re: TechBase
by Thomas Zander on Monday 26/Feb/2007, @00:40
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> The paragraph length remains consistent, the number of words at one
> line can be optimized for best readability.
Unfortunately, unlike TeX, this is impossible with HTML with different DPIs and such for each screen. Second, HTML is suppost to be dynamic and personal. I like more words on a line with slightly more linespacing. Which is impossible with that layout.
Fortunately, if you create an account, you can alter your default style on techbase to be the normal media wiki style. Makes things readable for me again :)
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Re: TechBase
by Tim on Monday 26/Feb/2007, @04:51
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Perhaps, although I think most people think Latex has much too large a default margin. Anyway this page at least should have full width:
http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/
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Re: TechBase
by renoX on Monday 26/Feb/2007, @07:38
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>although I think most people think Latex has much too large a default margin.
Count me on the 'most people'.
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Re: TechBase
by Aaron J. Seigo on Monday 26/Feb/2007, @10:17
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heh. "no, really, my brain works differently than the rest of the species" ;)
as for websvn, i totally agree. that application needs a non-fixed design. text content (e.g. articles and tutorials) benefit from it, but not web apps like websvn or lxr. hopefully we get that addressed at some point in the near-ish future.
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1900x1400
by funnyfanny on Monday 26/Feb/2007, @12:56
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The site looks bad on high res 16x9 screens like all DELL Laptops
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