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  The Road to KDE 4: Dolphin and Konqueror
KDE Public Relations and Marketing Posted by Troy Unrau on Wednesday 28/Feb/2007, @19:57
from the one-tool-for-one-job-philosophy dept.
As some of you who monitor the KDE news sphere may have noticed, there has been a recent addition to the kdebase module. The Dolphin File Manager has been added to complement Konqueror's browsing capabilities. Read on for more information about this new File Manager and its relationship to Konqueror and the rest of KDE.

A brief history lesson so you can get an overview of how file management has evolved with KDE: In KDE 1.x, KFM (the KDE File Manager) was born. It was a very rudimentary, very basic file manager with limited web browsing capabilities. Below is a shot of KFM browsing files (from the kde.org screenshot archive) so you get an idea of how it operated.

KFM in KDE 1.x

While it's obvious that KDE has come a long way since KDE 1.x, it is still easy to see which parts of KFM have inspired Konqueror's contemporary design, which was introduced as part of KDE 2.0. KParts technology revolutionized the way we used our File Manager application, turning Konqueror into a full fledged web-browser, and more. Here's a shot of Konqueror from KDE 3.5.6, and you can see that while the user interface is much improved, the same basic concepts remain visible from the KFM days.

Konqueror in KDE 3.5.6

Konqueror really shines as a beacon of KDE technologies in the KDE 2.x and 3.x series, showcasing the best parts of KDE technologies. Konqueror showcased the power of KDE's IO slaves, allowing true network transparency when managing your files over FTP, fish (SSH), HTTP, and much more. Konqueror is so advanced that you can enter an FTP URL into a HTML upload form and it just works as you would logically expect it to (as far as I know, it is the only browser which allows this). It also featured KParts, which allowed it to embed just about any sort of viewer required, directly into the interface, embedding things like KPDF, KWord, image viewers, and most importantly, the ever-improving KHTML page renderer. This is important, since even Konqueror's icon views were implemented as pluggable parts, making just about any kind of icon view possible.

So, Konqueror is a really powerful tool that can do just about everything you and your system can possibly want, and with this power comes unlimited configurability and extensibility through control modules and plugins. However, what often happens in Konqueror when you are browsing the internet is that Konqueror still wants to behave as a file manager and not a web browser. This split behavior is easily noticed through elements such as toolbar buttons. For example: the "Up" arrow is still available on the toolbar even when browsing Google Maps, but it is totally irrelevant in this context; another is having a web bookmarks toolbar visible while sorting icons in your /home folder.

Introducing Dolphin: Dolphin is a new File Manager for KDE 4 which is dedicated 100% to file management, and is not intended to be a one-size-fits-all tool as Konqueror currently attempts. It is intended to optimize your file management related tasks, and present an easy to use file manager for casual KDE use. That doesn't mean it won't be powerful or configurable, only that Dolphin is being built for a single purpose.

Dolphin isn't a total rewrite however, and is not intended to compete with Konqueror, rather the two applications will be complimentary. Dolphin uses the already existing IO slave facilities of the KDE platform to perform remote or local file management, meaning that it will be capable of doing all of the 'remote management' type activities that Konqueror has already matured. Dolphin just won't show web pages or PDF files embedded as Konqueror does.

And Konqueror will benefit from Dolphin as well. Konqueror is not going to disappear for KDE 4, although its user interface may yet see some adjustments as its primary utility will not as the default file manager. Of course, Konqueror will still be available for file management tasks as it has been in the past - there will be no changes in this regard. Changes made to KDE's icon view parts through the development of Dolphin will also help to improve Konqueror's icon views, as they both share these libraries. As stated before, Konqueror loads all of these icon views as pluggable libraries called KParts - improvements to the underlying KParts automatically benefit all users.

So lets take a look at Dolphin and Konqueror as they currently exist in KDE's Subversion repository. Please keep in mind that these snapshots represent developer work-in-progress builds and, while publicly available, are not representative of the final appearance or intended functionality of either applications, nor are they recommended for everyday use.

Konqueror currently looks something like this, and the icon views only half work. The problem is that these file views are simply direct ports of the KDE 3 codebase. Konqueror will eventually receive the same fileviews that Dolphin is currently using.

konq in kde 4x

You can tell from Konqueror's default configuration of using tabs, and various other related interface choices that Konqueror is now mostly a web browser that also happens to do file management. While Konqueror's roots are truly derive from file management, it is more frequently operated as a browser these days by many KDE users. Konqueror does a great job as a web browser, underpinned by the fact it now implements CSS 3, including the highly-anticipated 'opacity' tags.

So while Konqueror continues to improve as a browser, it will continue to maintain KDE 3.x file management standards, providing a baseline functionality, and will be improved as code is shared between itself and Dolphin.

Dolphin is a whole different animal. It is a 'real' file manager - it's interface has a lot of elements which are specific to a file manager and cannot really be justified in a browser. This is best demonstrated with a screenshot.

Dolphin in KDE 4.x showing breadcrumbs

Notice the implemention of a 'breadcrumb'-style directory selector, which works well for file management in a lot of cases, but is totally useless if you need to enter a URL when using a browser, and so becomes the sort of widget which is only useful when dealing with file hierarchies. Breadcrumb widgets may be familiar to anyone who has used OS X's Finder or GNOME's Nautilus. Another comment about the above screenshot: clicking and holding a breadcrumb item displays a list of directories that are at the same level as the one clicked, allowing for more efficient navigation.

dolphin in KDE 4.x showing other configurations

However, using the breadcrumb widget is not essential, and if you are more comfortable with a Konqueror-style location bar, this mode of operation is easily configurable, as seen above. In fact, much of Dolphin is configurable, illustrated below.

dolphin in KDE 4.x showing configuration dialog

This screenshot evidences the amount of effort KDE is spending trying to make configuration layouts sane while still providing as many options as reason allows. Also note the improved appearance of the configuration dialogs in KDE 4. Of course, this is going to be revisited somewhat as the dialog is too tall for some screens at the moment. After the Oxygen visual components go live, this dialog will be even easier on the eyes.

So, Dolphin's functionality is not entirely new, other than it presents itself in a new way. It can be seen as a hybrid between the power of Konqueror and the structure of Nautilus. Dolphin still builds on a strong KDE base, reusing existing technologies like KIO slaves and so forth. Right-click actions that were available in Konqueror will still be mostly present (except that Dolphin will necessarily load files externally instead of using embedding viewers). And Konqueror can now improve its web browsing experience even more, doing so without losing the file browsing support that has been there since KDE 2.0.

When KDE 4 is released, Dolphin will be configured as the default application for the local file:/ protocol, as well as the default file manager listed in the applications menu. Konqueror will ship as the default web browser, and will still be usable as a file manager to those that prefer the historical lifestyle. Users of KDE will have the ability to set the default file browser, much like how KDE 3.x can use third-party applications such as Krusader as the default file manager. Stay tuned for more information as Dolphin and KDE evolve towards 4.0.



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More configurable, maybe?
by Anon on Thursday 01/Mar/2007, @14:52
"That doesn't mean it won't be powerful or configurable, only that Dolphin is being built for a single purpose."

I think this bears repeating - something that is optimised for File Management and which can implement features without worrying how they will affect other functionality (e.g. as Troy mentioned, the "breadcrumbs" mode would not be a good fit for Konqueror as the mode is not useful for webbrowsing) could *easily* end up being a far more powerful and configurable tool than Konqueror, while avoiding the cascade of clutter when you open a config menu by virtue of its not being a Swiss-army knife. The factoring out of useful code from Konqueror into shared libraries means that if Dolphin doesn't have this as its this goal, then writing a File Manager that does will not be such a Herculean task

It would be interesting to see if anyone steps up and makes a dedicated Khtml-based, KDE-integrated web-browser.
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Most important thing: Keyboard navigation?
by max on Thursday 01/Mar/2007, @15:17
Who else thinks that keyboard navigation is a very important topic where Konqueror (and Dolphin 0.x) have deficits?
Just navigating between directories, deleting files (focus jumps to the beginning of the directory), creating folders (new folder is *not* selected),... today has too many (usability) bugs.
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'Up' arrow whe webgrowsing
by zvonsully on Thursday 01/Mar/2007, @15:59
I use the up arrow when I'm browsing to get to the upper directory of the html file I'm viewing. For example this news addres is http://dot.kde.org/1172721427 , so when I press UP, Konqueror will open http://dot.kde.org/ . I like it !
The bookmark are store as KIO://address and I also like it!
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KPart of Dolphin
by zvonsully on Thursday 01/Mar/2007, @16:06
How about to KPart Dolphin and Konqueror just to embed it when viewing files just as KPDF is embedded for viewing pdf? This part could also be used by the "Open" dialogs.
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Correeection
by Jim on Thursday 01/Mar/2007, @16:07
> it now implements CSS 3, including the highly-anticipated 'opacity' tags.

Not everything remotely related to web development is a "tag" you know. You are referring to the opacity *property*.
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Konqueror
by Bobby on Thursday 01/Mar/2007, @16:14
Use whatever you want, but I don't think switching to "Dolphin" as the default file manager for KDE will be a good thing. One of the biggest complaints I see from Gnome (and even some OSX/WinXP) users is that their file managers are not as capable as Konqueror. If it really bothered people so much that Konqueror also did file management; then why not the wholesale conversion to Krusader? or Nautilus? or the other 8 dozen file managers? Because Konqueror is easily the best file manager available on any platform... The users haven't wanted a switch from Konqueror. In fact the only users I hear complain about Konqueror currently is users who have no intention of EVER user it, because it is a KDE app.

Remember when Gnome switch to the "new" filemanager design in v2.0? Most users assumed that the limited feature set meant that it was somehow broken. I really don't want users to come to KDE and think it's file manager is broken.

The other question I have is; if it is SO important to move away from Konqueror as the default file manager, then why not simply use Krusader? It is already there, it is fast, it is actively developed, and it has a signle focus.

Bobby
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We need a "real" browser
by JAT on Thursday 01/Mar/2007, @16:18
IMHO Dolphin is a great file manager that has just enough power for most users.
Konqueror on the other hand is the ultimate tool the power-user can dream of; and a good browser too...

But, I see one problem with this setting. There isn't an easy to use browser for KDE. One that takes away many of the less used functions but offers a better usability.


This is (more or less) similar to Mozilla/Seamonkey vs. Firefox for that matter.
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Tree View is a must for any filemanager
by Vlad on Thursday 01/Mar/2007, @16:55
Is a left-pane Tree View planned? I think a Tree View is the #1 requirement for a file manager -- it makes orienting through the filesystem hierarchy and moving files around so much easier.
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AppArmor & systrace
by Tobias Weisserth on Thursday 01/Mar/2007, @17:04
Finally! :-) The problem with just one tool for different purposes is that it's extremely difficult to apply security mechanisms such as AppArmor or systrace. I really want to be able to restrict konqueror with some good profile in systrace or AppArmor but in that case it becomes useless as filemanager. Now Dolphin can take over that part! Great work!

kind regards,
Tobias W.
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Metadata editor
by Ranger on Thursday 01/Mar/2007, @17:15
I think Dolphin could add file metadata editor or color tag feature for usability.
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Webkit
by Andi on Thursday 01/Mar/2007, @17:15
Speaking of khtml.. what's the status of merging webkit?
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Just so you know
by Abe on Thursday 01/Mar/2007, @17:27
"Konqueror is so advanced that you can enter an FTP URL into a HTML upload form and it just works as you would logically expect it to (as far as I know, it is the only browser which allows this)."

Just so you know, FireFox has an add-on called FireFTP which is pretty nice too. And you are right, it is a little different. It has to be added and it has its own address field. See http://fireftp.mozdev.org/
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Bread Crumbs
by Daniel on Thursday 01/Mar/2007, @17:34
"clicking and holding a breadcrumb item displays a list of directories that are at the same level as the one clicked"

Judging by the screenshot, you are wrong. It seems to display contents of the item you clicked... Yeah, confusing. The breadcrumbs is a dandy idea but we managed to copy the most brain-dead implementation to KDE.

The closest analogy to how one would expect this to work would probably be a pull-down-list HTML widget. In Dolphin, you click on path element, and instead of choosing a replacement for the item clicked, you add to the path as result...
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The right direction!
by JT on Thursday 01/Mar/2007, @17:41
I think this is a very wise and well-considered direction to go. I have used Konqueror as my default web and file browser after years of experimentation and I'm very happy with it.

I think Konqueror can only benefit from having less burden placed on it to perform two usually different, but occasionally overlapping roles. And a dedicate file browser can focus on UI issues not present in a web browser.

Yet when you enable konqueror and dolphin to enjoy the same core technologies, you get a system that is powerful *and* makes sense.

Now if Cervesia and the svn support in Dolphin could find similar accordance, it would be VERY impressive and more importantly, very useful. But the way KDE4 is being designed, this looks likely.

I LOVE fish BTW. It's very productive for me - secure, drag-n-drop, network-independent file operations. FTW.

The ultimate lesson is, sometimes you need a complete, featureful interface for a given KIO. But convenient, integrated operations in other or more general purpose programs are incredibly powerful. Eg. shouldn't "extract to" be a context-click operation from a zip file in a browser?

KDE4 looks very promising and capable of competing with any proprietary OSen in this regard. Architecture and framework enables all.
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Profiles
by Stephen on Thursday 01/Mar/2007, @18:27
Personally I would like to see profiles to be able to save different toolbar configurations, I think that would solve almost anyones complaints about konqueror as a file manager.
unless of course you get those that think the profiles are per tab(or a I'm browsing local why is it still web browsing?) instead of an application instance wide setting.
While I'm happy for the change. I don't really see any compelling reason to even use dolphin. currently I have 6 tabs, 3 local, 3 websites. I've never found konq's ability to browse my files to be lacking in anyway. and have always loved the ability to have a web page up in the same window.
I daily need both local and web up at the same time and would rather have them together than appart. as they are very related. (1 local is for my media, 1 web for my media database, 1 local for the website's source code, 1 web for the php api.)
I cringed when I saw the 'breadcrumb' bit but was very relieved that it had the option to use the standard.
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You've Convinced Me
by Sunil Khiatani on Thursday 01/Mar/2007, @19:50
Like many I was skeptical about Dolphin when it was first announced to be the default file manager. When told I could set konqueror as the default I wasn't worried, and that it would be my first task to do once I had KDE 4.0 installed.

This article convinced me to try dolphin, that screenshot shows a lot of useful ways to navigate through directories and files, it just might be useful. I'm going home tonight and trying out dolphin!

Sunil
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Dolphin worse than Konqueror
by Pau Garcia i Quiles on Thursday 01/Mar/2007, @23:18
Why is KDE making this kind of decisions? The more KDE tries to copy half-baked Gnome applications, the worse for KDE users. Konqueror was just perfect as it was in KDE3.

And please do not tell me "you can still use Konqueror as your file manager in KDE4" as people are not going to do that: 99% of people just use defaults, therefore 99% of work goes to improve whatever is default. Manpower is scarce and Konqueror was already lacking developer time; this Dolphin is not exactly going to improve the situation.
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mc rules
by ac on Friday 02/Mar/2007, @00:11
Call me weird, but I still use the Midnight Commander... It's just so easy: Everything works with keys, same keys as in the good old times, hm...
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duplicate efforts when other areas miss code
by olahaye74 on Friday 02/Mar/2007, @01:18
I've already posted that on Arun's blog, but I think this needs to be here as well with few missleading fixes.

It's realy sad to see duplicate effort. How many hours of coding lost in developping Dolphin that could have been used to fix konqueror (CSS3 is fine in konqueror, but javascript is far behind and needs lots of improvement IMHO)
Eventhough there is code re-use, this is time loss in writing Doplphin that could be better used.

konqueror has profiles for file browsing, wonderfull filelight interface for cleaning directories, and much much more. Why not improve profiles then?

Please stop Dolphin and leave dupplicate effort challenges to Gnome project.
And please, one for all, don't suppose users are Dumb! Tree view is in Windows explorer since ages, nobody complains about that and it represents 95% of the users around the glob! Your direction is toward 5% of users.
More over, the danger is that it's a new, not widely tested app set as default. You'd better make sure it's rock stable or many users will run away!

KDE is a wonderfull clear, concise desktop environment, please don't cripple it with dupplicate applications. This is the most confusing thing a new user could experience: what app to chose?
Right now, we have single app for each tasks
- one media browser
- one media burner
- one desktop suite
- one photo management whichg could be enhanced by a video library management and DVD authoring side (why? because when you author a DVD, each software has a library which is a duplicate effort as well)
...
I see dolphin as the beginning of several apps for each tasks.
- Several file browsers
- Several images viewers
- Several duplicate apps.
Don't you aim at a k3b simplified concurent, a simplified koffice and such?

IMHO, the oposite direction should be taken instead:
I think that one day, amarok and kaffeine should merge. My music library is half mp3/ogg and half mp2-video (tv recording), thus I cannot have common playlist...You see the point of merging?

IMHO, there are big lacks in KDE that are incredibely more important than recreating something that already exists. These are:
- Decent javascript support in konqueror
- Native Exchange support in kmail
- Kmail mail subjects automatic styles (color, ...)
- Better multimedia integration (ManDVD is fine but lack many features; could be integrated to digikam to create a media management system IMHO; digital camera already merge video and photos...)
- Better kopete components (mainly webcam supports, msn wizz and such, upnp support in msn and others, unified proxy, white board in jabber, voice in jabber, ....)
- More logic in TV apps (analog is done with kdetv and digital is thru kaffeine).
- Improving kdewallet by having password groups (when you use the same password on many places (single sign on for example in a company), you have to update your new password in kdewallet in all login forms.

If you want to call KDE4 a "revolution", that's not in rewriting already existing apps. It's in writing things that lack in KDE right now.

/me: not happy with new directions....

Olivier.
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Krusader all the way!
by fish on Friday 02/Mar/2007, @01:20
There's no better filemanager on any OS than Krusader!

Anyway, Dolphin should use the F-Keys and make it obvious. When there's a split-window-view, at the bottom a bar should appear with the obvious tasks...

F1 Copy
F2 Move
F3 Delete
F4 Make Dir

and so on...

*THIS* would be ease-of-use and good visible integration of functions/keys into a filemanager...
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Konqueror 4: Is it time already?
by Jucato on Friday 02/Mar/2007, @02:02
I guess this would an opportune time and place to ask about this and throw out some ideas. We've all heard about progress in Dolphin. But since Konqueror will still be in KDE 4.x, although not the default file manager, I guess it's only natural to wonder, "How is Konqueror?" While work being done on Dolphin is amazing, I am wondering what work is being done on Konqueror. What are the plans, aside from the usual porting to Qt4? When will they begin? I'm not asking about the KHTML part, but more on Konqueror as an app.

I think it is also time for people who love Konqueror, who think Konqueror is the best, to divert their attention from complaining about Dolphin vs. Konqueror, and to focus on helping improve Konqueror. Konqueror is far from perfect, otherwise we wouldn't even be having this problem at all. If Konqueror needed some changes/improvement, I think the time is now.

I have a few ideas, based on my own experience, and those of others I've come in contact (IRC, forums, mailing lists, etc.). Since I'm not a programmer, I leave it up to those who can code to see if these are feasible

1. Profile management. There probably wouldn't be a need for a separate file manager app, if Konqueror had a better profile system. The UI should be able to adjust depending on the profile, not just the content/current view. Currently, only the Navigation Panel seems to have a per-profile setting.

2. UI Revamp. We have a KDE HIG working group now. Perhaps it's time to see which stuff should go, which stuff should be put where, and which stuff should be added. I think Dolphin got some UI stuff right: a location bar/breadcrumb bar per split view, a single button to split/un-split views, clear indication of active/inactive views, no side tabs (navigation panels/side bars are nice, but side tabs are probably a waste of space). The UI for the settings also needs some changes (but perhaps more under KControl's area of responsibility).

3. Changing Konqueror's description. This is probably the only non-technical change. You might ask why. Simple. Konqueror simply can't be defined in a simple way. It's a file manager plus web browser plus plus plus. After a while, they all add up, and we tend to lose sight of what something really is. This change maybe artificial and sort of bikeshedding in some ways, probably. But I think now is a perfect oppurtunity to redifine what Konqueror really is, what it is not, and what it will become.
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Sounds not like a good idea
by furanku on Friday 02/Mar/2007, @02:49
AFAIK there are still a lot of things to do to finish KDE 4.

Replacing an established, good working filemanager with a "gnome style" one is not what I want to see on that list. Seems to me like KDE development lost a bit of it's focus and now repairs planless things that aren't broken.

It's a pity, my high hopes get more and more curbed: I expected new concepts and visions to become slowly more clear, but beside a lot of buzzwords about plasma & co, this is the first real visible change, and I don't like it.

Sorry, but IMHO this is a step in the wrong direction at the wrong time. And yes, I regulary check out svn versions and try them.
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Competitor
by Emil Sedgh on Friday 02/Mar/2007, @02:53
"Dolphin is not intended to be a competitor to Konqueror, the default KDE file manager: Konqueror acts as universal viewer being able to show HTML pages, text documents, directories and a lot more, whereas Dolphin focuses on being only a file manager. This approach allows to optimize the user interface for the task of file management." (Dolphin Web Site)

i dont know who made this decision, but did they ever asked himself "Why people dont like this decision?? maybe we are wrong??"
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A clear list of features that will be added
by Ben on Friday 02/Mar/2007, @03:10
Is there a list of featues that arn't in KDE3Dolphin but planed for the KDE4 version? Currently Dolphin is missing some pritty good file browsing featues found in Konquorer.

I know embedded konsole and Tree view are in the works (http://dot.kde.org/1172721427/1172794484/1172821938/1172826380/ and http://dot.kde.org/1172721427/1172796957/1172827469/)

but what about file-size view, spliting the screen multiple times or fine grained control over what you display preivews for? And can you enter into the url bar /home/me/*.jpg?
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A comment from a long time user...
by Nuno Pinhão on Friday 02/Mar/2007, @03:13
I've been using KDE from the beginning and I've always preferred it comparing to GNOME not only by the added functions but also by what I perceived as well thought and integrated decisions on his architecture.

However I don't understand this decision of splitting Dolphin and Konqueror and in my opinion is a clear "shot on the foot".
I don't understand why the decision is not to improve Konqueror as a file browser, making it more flexible and correcting the shortcomings found now, and instead to add "noise" with another file browser.
More, as a user in my daily work, I frequently need the full power of Konqueror both as a file browser, web browser, ftp browser, etc... AT THE SAME TIME (most of the time splitting it in multiple windows). Also is quite convenient (and faster than open a dedicated application) to look at a file directly on Konqueror.
From what I understand Dolphin will be "fancy" but won't support that. At same time I feel that, with time, Konqueror will lag behind as a file browser.
Probably, if this happens, I will switch to a browser that will still give me all that (maybe in GNOME?).
Another consequence of this (bad) decision is that a good number of users will switch from Konqueror (as an all-browser) to Dolphin + Mozilla and drop Konqueror! In the medium term this may slow down the development of Konqueror.
Konqueror does need some improvements (KHTML is not yet able to see some pages - in this case I still need Mozilla). I.e. I would like to remove Mozilla from my disk if possible (one less fat software). But I don't think this is the good way of doing it...

"Just my two cents"
NP
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Dolphin- wishes
by terran on Friday 02/Mar/2007, @03:25
I think that Dolphin could replace Konqueror in file management operations only if
it will support all remote kioslaves (ftp/sftp/fish/svn etc.) and integrate archive management available in ark (maybe both project should be merged ).
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Thanks Troy!
by Darkelve on Friday 02/Mar/2007, @03:39
Thanks for your great articles,
and especially for this one about Dolphin,
one of the KDE4 changes I'm really looking
forward to!
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Fileselectorbox?
by Thorsten Schnebeck on Friday 02/Mar/2007, @04:26
Hi,

what about fileselectorboxes when you do file->open or file->save? Do we got dolphin style or current style or is this a config option?

Bye

Thorsten
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Load files externally
by Gunter Schelfhout on Friday 02/Mar/2007, @04:47
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Konqueror will still be mostly present (except that Dolphin will necessarily load files externally instead of using embedding viewers).
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How come Dolphin has to load files externally instead of using embedded viewers?
That's what I liked so much about Konqueror!
Isn't there any way to embed viewers?
Is is technically or just policy?
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Dolphin and usability
by cmiramon on Friday 02/Mar/2007, @05:34
I have not yet tried Dolphin and I was wondering how it responds to the usability problems we have with Konqueror as a file manager.

- Selecting files with the mouse was always difficult. Aaron had a demo some times ago of making it possible when you hover over a file to have a small menu to appear with several contextual actions, like selecting. Is this idea tested in Dolphin ?

- Looking at the screenshots, I see that in the splitview the little green light that we have in Konqueror to switch panes has gone. This little green light is clearly a usability nightmare. How is it replaced in Dolphin ? I'm wondering also if in a splitview, fad