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More configurable, maybe?
by Anon on Thursday 01/Mar/2007, @14:52
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"That doesn't mean it won't be powerful or configurable, only that Dolphin is being built for a single purpose."
I think this bears repeating - something that is optimised for File Management and which can implement features without worrying how they will affect other functionality (e.g. as Troy mentioned, the "breadcrumbs" mode would not be a good fit for Konqueror as the mode is not useful for webbrowsing) could *easily* end up being a far more powerful and configurable tool than Konqueror, while avoiding the cascade of clutter when you open a config menu by virtue of its not being a Swiss-army knife. The factoring out of useful code from Konqueror into shared libraries means that if Dolphin doesn't have this as its this goal, then writing a File Manager that does will not be such a Herculean task
It would be interesting to see if anyone steps up and makes a dedicated Khtml-based, KDE-integrated web-browser. |
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Re: More configurable, maybe?
by Pino Toscano on Thursday 01/Mar/2007, @16:15
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> It would be interesting to see if anyone steps up and makes a dedicated Khtml-based, KDE-integrated web-browser.
There's already, called Konqueror.
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Re: More configurable, maybe?
by Ralesk on Thursday 01/Mar/2007, @16:36
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I think Anon's emphasis was on "dedicated". Although in that sense it's still a weird thing...
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Re: More configurable, maybe?
by Drgan on Thursday 01/Mar/2007, @20:13
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This could be an interesting idea. What I feel may be more useful and this may already be the direction used is kind of like a shell that detects what type of activity you are performing. Yes, Konq. already attempts to do this but let's take this into the near-do-al ways of Microsoft for a minute. If you have Windows Explorer open and attempt to navigate to a website by manually entering this into the location bar, just about everything from Windows Explorer (Exception, File Tree on left) will disappear and be replaced by the layout of Internet Explorer. Surely, with the fact that Konquorer already attempts to determine what the user is doing, this cannot be to difficult to do - just switch seamlessly switch from Konqueror to Dolphin and mid-shift.
Please, no flaming on this as this does seem to be the idea asked here and may already be a direction we're headed.
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Re: More configurable, maybe?
by Kevin on Friday 02/Mar/2007, @01:19
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Actually with IE7 installed, Explorer no longer switches layouts like that. It now just opens up the default web browser with that url. Note it uses the default web browser, not just IE7.
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Re: More configurable, maybe?
by Evan Robert on Thursday 01/Mar/2007, @18:34
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"as Troy mentioned, the "breadcrumbs" mode would not be a good fit for Konqueror as the mode is not useful for webbrowsing"
It would be very easy to implement it so that Konqueror switches to using a breadcrumb interface when in filebrowsing mode. I hope this switch to Dolphin development doesn't mean the filesystem side of Konqueror is left as is. I don't see why anything currently implemented in dolphin couldn't be included in Konqueror's fileview mode.
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Re: More configurable, maybe?
by Boudewijn Rempt on Thursday 01/Mar/2007, @22:48
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I'd say that breadcrumbs aren't a good fit for file browsing either. The only place where breadcrumbs (sort of) work are in blogs -- and even there it's only useful because there isn't anything better, really.
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Re: More configurable, maybe?
by Cerulean on Friday 02/Mar/2007, @09:38
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Any reason why you don't think they're a good fit for file browsing? The advantages are that you have one click access to to any ancestor directories AND (by holding down the button, moving your mouse a bit, and then releasing) access to direct descendents of directories in the ancestor directories.
I can't see any real disadvantages.
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Re: More configurable, maybe?
by Gabriel Gazzán on Saturday 03/Mar/2007, @07:19
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Well, maybe you're not looking for them really.
I see one clear disadvantage, and it is that with the "breadwhatever" you totally lose the sense of where you're standing inside the directory tree. There's no single way in this paradigm to eyeball what other places are there in the directory structure to find what you're looking for (an image, text, whatever).
Let me say that I really dislike that paradigm and from my experience is something that is not by any means more usable than the tree structure, let alone that you're trying to change what 95% people already feel comfortable with as Richard stated.
If I was to ask something to Dolphin's developers as not to make this breadchunks the default way of looking at the file structure. Make them an option for people wanting to 'think different'. ;)
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Re: More configurable, maybe?
by infopipe on Saturday 03/Mar/2007, @07:57
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> If I was to ask something to Dolphin's developers as not to make this breadchunks
> the default way of looking at the file structure. Make them an option for people
> wanting to 'think different'. ;)
Please, guys. Try dolphin before complaining about it. This is already an option.
And since yesterday dolphin in svn also has a treeview. It's not finished, but it is there. Added within 24h(!!) after all this complaining started.
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Re: More configurable, maybe?
by Gabriel Gazzán on Saturday 03/Mar/2007, @09:41
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Fist of all, I can't try Dolphin, because I use Mandriva 2006 and don't have the chance to do it.
But I would like you to read more carefully before replying.
I said what I said, not because I believed there won't be a tree view in Dolphin, but because, as I understand, currently the breadcrumbs seem to be the default option and I clearly don't like that fact.
I hope I have made it clear this time.
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Re: More configurable, maybe?
by Sutoka on Saturday 03/Mar/2007, @11:25
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How are breadcrumbs in the location bar worse than text in the location bar? With a single click the breadcrumbs will switch to the standard location bar as well. Also there is a KDE3 version of Dolphin which should work in Mandriva 2006 no problem.
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Re: More configurable, maybe?
by Gabriel Gazzán on Thursday 08/Mar/2007, @18:43
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I don't mind having breadcrumbs in the location bar if I can have a tree view at the left side of the Dolphin window, but by all means I don't want to have it as a replacement for the tree view. This would be a step backwards.
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Re: More configurable, maybe?
by Debian User on Friday 02/Mar/2007, @10:11
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I for one like and use the Up button on websites that are well structured, like the dot.
And allowing websites to provide a tree-structure would be good too. Better than learning navigation over and over.
Kay
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me, 2oooo...
by eMPe on Sunday 04/Mar/2007, @14:28
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..I sec.. third that! Moving up is one useful, the Google Toolbar has it also! But it got kinda broke by not being able anymore to move up from a subdomain. I filed a bug 2 1/2 years ago but it got ignored: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95433
I wished I could code QT so I could fix stuff like this myself... after the exams I'll try...
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