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Re: 'Up' arrow whe webgrowsing
by lll on Thursday 01/Mar/2007, @16:03
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Agree. The "UP" arrow is one of the nicer things about konqueror.
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Re: 'Up' arrow whe webgrowsing
by Pete on Thursday 01/Mar/2007, @16:11
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Yeah, +1 saving the up arrow in Konq.
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Re: 'Up' arrow whe webgrowsing
by Troy Unrau on Thursday 01/Mar/2007, @16:44
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I didn't say it's going away either :) I was just using it as an example of a button that is less than intuitive for many websites. What does it do when using gmail? it breaks the website (last I checked). Works great on dot.kde.org though... I use it after I post a comment to go back to the article quickly :)
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Re: 'Up' arrow whe webgrowsing
by Maarten ter Huurne on Thursday 01/Mar/2007, @17:36
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The back button breaks a lot of sites too. But that is caused by (ab)using the browser as an application platform rather than a hypertext viewer, so the back button is not really to blame. (I like web apps, but they are definitely something web browsers were not designed for.)
I find the up arrow very useful: if you come in via a search you often find yourself somewhere deep down in the tree structure of a site and on many sites navigation controls are either missing or not obvious, making the up arrow a quicker alternative.
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Re: 'Up' arrow whe webgrowsing
by Paul on Friday 02/Mar/2007, @01:56
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Me too,
The up arrow is a great feature for web browsing, something I immediately miss when using firefox.
Yes it does have limitations, but it's very useful to getting to a site's toplevel page after landing deep inside it having followed a websearch result.
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Re: 'Up' arrow whe webgrowsing
by Glenn on Friday 02/Mar/2007, @16:43
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Firefox has a plugin called konqefox or similar, based on the knonqueror functionality. Some other plugins also provide this. And check out the buttons in FFox 2!
Konqueror definately lead the way with this button, and I consider browsers without it to be broken, especially when you consider the social bookmarking sites that link to deep structures, and you want to have a nosey round the site :)
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Re: 'Up' arrow whe webgrowsing
by LB on Sunday 04/Mar/2007, @14:59
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Please check again, up-button works fine in gmail, it brings you to your overall view of your mailbox. In my personal experience there are very few websites that really break with the up-button.
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Re: 'Up' arrow whe webgrowsing
by Brandon on Friday 02/Mar/2007, @19:35
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Mark me down for the "up" arrow (and the "clear" / "enter" clickable buttons by the url, they save a boat-load of time for me...)
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Re: 'Up' arrow whe webgrowsing
by Mads Bondo Dydensborg on Thursday 01/Mar/2007, @23:03
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Ditto that. I like it too. I only wish it would skip cgi parts. But I can live with that.
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'Up' arrow in file browser, too?
by Tim on Friday 02/Mar/2007, @03:42
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Troy, thanks for the terrific articles. And especially to all the kde4 developers!
I recently had a chance to use MacOSX, after being 99.9% KDE and 0.1% Windows for several years. Given OSX's reputation I was excited to give it a spin, but I confess that I really did not like the Finder. One of the biggest usability problems for me: it took me 10 minutes to figure out how to go "up" one level of the directory hierarchy. For me, the problem was that it looked like all the functionality should be available from the buttons in the finder window (so much of it was), but in fact one had to navigate into a menu in order to find "up". Even now that I know what to do, it still seems like a really horrible usability design mistake.
Now, perhaps the breadcrumbs (which look nice!) basically eliminate the need for an up button? But will an up button be available as an option? (In particular, do recent versions of Windows still have an up button? One could imagine this being something set by an initial "configure KDE to look like: 1. KDE, 2. MacOSX, 3. Windows" wizard.)
Also, what will the breadcrumbs code do when the file hierarchy gets so deep that it can't all be displayed in the window? Presumably there has already been thought given to this, but I'll offer my 2 cents (for what it's worth):
1. Having all of the breadcrumbs get more and more abbreviated (sort of like the tabs in konsole) might not be great, because then they really won't convey any useful information---a single character probably won't help most users figure out which directory is which.
2. One might want to prefer showing the directories that are immediately above the current location, if necessary at the expense of ones even higher up. After all, one can always click "home" to get there.
3. Alternatively, the algorithmist in me likes a "fully display every nth directory" (or perhaps choose the ones to display on a log scale, oooo!) because it insures that any higher directory is not many clicks away. But I fear that could be rather confusing to most users, so I don't really suggest it seriously...
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Re: 'Up' arrow in file browser, too?
by Jucato on Friday 02/Mar/2007, @03:48
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> But will an up button be available as an option?
In the KDE 3.5 Dolphin release, you can add an Up button by configuring the toolbar.
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Re: 'Up' arrow in file browser, too?
by Vlad on Monday 05/Mar/2007, @09:27
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I would prefer your option 2 combined with Left/Right buttons similarly to the Left/Right buttons that appear when you have too much open tabs in Konqueror.
Speaking of tabs in Konqueror, I would like to have an option for setting the minimal width of the tab title (if you have many open tabs, the title currently reduces to "..." which is not very informative).
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Re: 'Up' arrow whe webgrowsing
by TimZ on Friday 02/Mar/2007, @12:42
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As a basic KDE user guy, I'm crazy about the 'Up' arrow when using the browser. It's one of the things I miss every time I am forced to use Firefox. Keep it handy, please.
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Re: 'Up' arrow whe webgrowsing
by Elijah Lofgren on Friday 02/Mar/2007, @14:28
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Cool! I was missing the Up arrow while using Dolphin and I just realized that it can be easily added by right clicking on the toolbar and clicking "Configure Toolbars". KDE rocks. :)
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Re: 'Up' arrow whe webgrowsing
by LB on Sunday 04/Mar/2007, @14:49
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Just another +1 for "keep the up-button as part of the default buttons". I think this button is really useful when browsing websites. It would be a shame that handy buttons are removed in the "quest for an empty toolbar". Who makes these decisions?
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Re: 'Up' arrow whe webgrowsing
by LB on Sunday 04/Mar/2007, @14:57
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Forgot to mention that gmail works just fine with the up-button, it takes you to the beginning of your mailbox.
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Re: 'Up' arrow whe webgrowsing
by konqueror lover on Friday 20/Jun/2008, @02:54
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+1 for the Up button.
This thread just tells the writer of this article how ignorent he is.
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