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Re: Nice looking, but...
by reihal on Thursday 08/Mar/2007, @05:35
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No.
This is about noise and information. The empty space here is annoying,
it acts as noise to my information gathering. It could instead be filled
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Re: Nice looking, but...
by Arnomane on Thursday 08/Mar/2007, @05:52
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If you want to save even screenspace of menu bars in all of your (KDE-) apps, enable the Mac-like menu bar on top in KControl.
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Re: Nice looking, but...
by reihal on Thursday 08/Mar/2007, @06:18
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Best thing would be to have all bars autohide like Kicker.
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Re: Nice looking, but...
by nick on Thursday 08/Mar/2007, @06:27
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toolbars are useles for people who know about 'Configure shortcuts' dialog.
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Re: Nice looking, but...
by Torsten Rahn on Thursday 08/Mar/2007, @16:36
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You didn't read the article, did you? That empty space is what you need in some places to make stuff look good and _not_cluttered_ . I'm not opposing to make it configurable in some ways. But please acknowledge common usability findings and decades if not hundreds of years of experience that designers have gathered.
What you are aiming for is obviously a setup for somebody who wants to squeeze the last bit of efficiency out of each pixel. That's a good thing for you as a person, but keep in mind that it might not be the best for everyone.
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Re: Nice looking, but...
by reihal on Thursday 08/Mar/2007, @22:18
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Still no.
The toolbar is a tool, not art. The headline of the article is: "White space (visual arts)"
Form over function sucks, function over form rules.
(My fault is to write this here since it seems to be the concern of Qt, not of Oxygen.
You could do it in KDE 1)
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Re: Nice looking, but...
by Torsten Rahn on Friday 09/Mar/2007, @02:50
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> Still no. The toolbar is a tool, not art.
A tool - especially if it's in wide use - is always subject to considerations of look and feel. Due to the sheer importance of look and feel in today's world you've got to make compromises between better looks, better usability and flexibility.
What you obviously think about when talking about usability is efficient and comfortable usage of a kind of poweruser who doesn't care about esthetics. However that's only one small part of the whole broad spectrum of users KDE supports.
> My fault is to write this here since it seems to be the concern
> of Qt, not of Oxygen. You could do it in KDE 1)
I remember someone from Trolltech having said that it was dropped because nobody really used it. And worse: I have seen many people who "lost" their menubar in Windows and KDE 1 because they managed to move it in some way out of sight.
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Re: Nice looking, but...
by neurol23 on Friday 09/Mar/2007, @03:45
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if menubar could have been "lost" in windows, then it was a windows bug.
it's sufficient to implement the functionality. no need to replicate the bug also ;-)
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Re: Nice looking, but...
by reihal on Friday 09/Mar/2007, @11:23
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"a kind of poweruser who doesn't care about esthetics"
I'm not a poweruser (whatever that is) and I do care about esthetics.
If you had looked at my screenshot you would have seen ample amounts of
white space, but in the content where it belongs.
I just don't think an empty space in the upper right-hand corner of every
application is good esthetics or good usability.
"someone from Trolltech having said"
I am sure Matthias Ettrich can hack this during a coffee break or some such.
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