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No mix of files and dirs please.
by Debian User on Wednesday 11/Apr/2007, @11:03

Hi there,

please don't mix files and directories. You will create tremendous confusion.

I do see that I should be able to use tar://path/to/tarfile and file://path/to/tarfile and it sure would be nice, if there were a way to find their relation by means open a double-click, open action in Dolpin of KDE4.

If done correctly, up of the file browser Dolphin would switch to the file:// protocol again.

Unsolved, forever, is the nesting of IO-Slaves, isn't it? What if want to do tar IO-slave over ssh? fish://path/to/tarfile, can't be browsed with tar:// can it? The chaining of IO-Slaves would be nice.

Yours,
Kay

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Re: No mix of files and dirs please.
by Jos van den Oever on Wednesday 11/Apr/2007, @11:20

Strigi partially solves this problem. You can do e.g.
jstreams://message.eml/data.zip/familytree.tar.gz/mother.jpg

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Re: No mix of files and dirs please.
by Michal on Wednesday 11/Apr/2007, @13:09

What does it mean, partially? IOW what are the limits of that concept using Strigi? If done correctly we might finally fix bug 73821, which would be really cool.

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Re: No mix of files and dirs please.
by Jos van den Oever on Wednesday 11/Apr/2007, @13:49

Strigi reads files as a stream. This fits very well with kioslaves. On its own, Strigi can read embedded files from other files. To read files embedded in other files that are read over a network protocol like ftp is a bit more tricky. There would need to be a way to really nest kioslaves to make that possible.

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Re: No mix of files and dirs please.
by André on Thursday 12/Apr/2007, @05:57

I don't get it. I can do this stuff already without using Strigi on KDE 3? It sounds like nothing new at all. KIO slaves have rocked a long time, and being able to navigate tar's and other archives right from your trusted Konq is a very old feature. Works like a charm.

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Re: No mix of files and dirs please.
by Troy Unrau on Thursday 12/Apr/2007, @15:47

Yes and no. You can do some of what Strigi does in KDE 3, but it's slower than using Strigi, and you can't extract the same detail of information (the infrastructure is not there). For example, you can navigate a tarball in KDE 3, but you can't pull embedded thumbnails out of images when browsing within a tarball... Strigi can do that, and fast...

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Re: No mix of files and dirs please.
by KDE User on Wednesday 11/Apr/2007, @12:52

Please, don't bring up the Dolphin debate again. Let's focus on fixing Konqueror first.

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Re: No mix of files and dirs please.
by Debian User on Wednesday 11/Apr/2007, @13:27

I used Dolphin (the IO-Slave shell) to specifically express that I regard the job as different from what Konqueror (the IO-Slave and KPart shell) would do, like using a KPart for tar and an IO-Slave for the ssh.

That said I didn't think of bringing up the pointless debate. Which is btw mostly pointless, because it's about a decision already done, and only about people not understanding what it is.

And other than that, the debate is by itself not bad. I think it helps to show the developers that the "people" (the mass of slightly informed users) really appreciate Konqueror and want it to stay and want to see continuation of this success story.

So please don't police my use of "Dolphin". While I feel that it was not well communicated by the developers, I do feel and appreciate the role of it. And my wish is exactly a point where Konqueror and Dolphin should behave different. In Konqueror browsing a tar should open a complex KPart with all the details, and in Dolphin it should be like browsing the files inside the tar.

Bah, I really am annoyed to see this police style of comment.

Thanks,
Kay

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Re: No mix of files and dirs please.
by KDE User on Wednesday 11/Apr/2007, @18:53

Sorry, not getting it. Why should Konqueror get a complicated KPart for this and Dolphin get the polished one? Who wants a complicated KPart exactly? I want Konqueror to be awesome, not complicated.

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Re: No mix of files and dirs please.
by Thomas on Wednesday 11/Apr/2007, @22:27

du... man complex != complicated.

konqu may load Ark as a kpart (which translates to "embed ark in konqu")

dolphin can _not_ load any kpart, so it's limited to the one file-browsing interface hardcoded into dolphin. Still it uses the same kio-slaves like konqu or all other kde-apps can use (making it possible to dive into a tgz-file e.g.)

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