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Checklists
by Bob on Thursday 10/May/2007, @13:36
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In my opinion, you need to get rid of those smiley faces in the checklists; they are very confusing. For example:
":-) Does your application have less than 5 menus?
:-( Does your application only look good in resolutions above 800x600?"
Remove the smiley faces and write all the checklist items as positive statements and it will be much easier to read and then scan the application for problems. e.g.
"The application should:
have less than 5 menus
look good in resolutions 800x600 and higher"
By the way, where are the rest of the HIG documents? Most of them on the wiki are blank. I'm starting to get worried that KDE4 will not have great usability because you're deciding on the HIG at too late a stage. :-( |
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Re: Checklists
by seele on Thursday 10/May/2007, @13:47
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We have been working on the HIG for three years, so I don't think it is too late a stage. It looks like more than half of the topics on http://wiki.openusability.org/guidelines/index.php/Main_Page are in the review stage or later.
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Re: Checklists
by Matt Williams on Thursday 10/May/2007, @13:50
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I totally agree about the smiley faces. It means you have to read every entry at least twice to work out what it means.
I assume you've found http://wiki.openusability.org/guidelines/index.php/Main_Page. AFAIK, this is the only public HIG documentation. Yes it is unfinished but it's also being worked on all the time. I guess someone on the HIG team can give a better answer on this.
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Re: Checklists
by D on Thursday 10/May/2007, @15:33
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FYI, I think you have it wrong. The bullet points you give:
":-) Does your application have less than 5 menus?
:-( Does your application only look good in resolutions above 800x600?"
are translated into:
"The application should:
have less than 5 menus
look good in all resolutions, not only those 800x600 and higher"
Which illustrates why the smileys are confusing!
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Re: Checklists
by Jonas Lihnell on Friday 11/May/2007, @01:35
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Sad to say, no. I usually run KDE on my TV, thus 720x576, meaning I can't use kcontrol and most configuration at all. if this dude read things right, you need to change it to be all resolutions and not just 800x600 and up. at least make sure that they get a scrollbar in < 800x600, a whole lot of things in kde3 fail on that. and that is more annoying since it completely disables me to change things. (the apply button becomes unavailable, I'd have to tab and hope I press space on the right one.)
Also, dialog windows (or maybe any window) has a tendency to not wanting to appear outside of the screen. when a window can't be smaller than a given size (has aminimum size) it has to be allowed to moved around so you can see the part of it you need to.
"Re: Checklists
by D on Thursday 10/May/2007, @15:33
FYI, I think you have it wrong. The bullet points you give:
":-) Does your application have less than 5 menus?
:-( Does your application only look good in resolutions above 800x600?"
are translated into:
"The application should:
have less than 5 menus
look good in all resolutions, not only those 800x600 and higher"
Which illustrates why the smileys are confusing!"
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Re: Checklists
by Davide Ferrari on Friday 11/May/2007, @03:48
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I run KDE on my 320x240 IBM VGA monitor from 1992. Please update all your configuration dialogs to fit my screen. Thanks.
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Re: Checklists
by Phil on Friday 11/May/2007, @05:43
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Funny... yeah update every single thing so this one dude can use a monitor with a lower screen resolution than my cell phone.
Guys, make KDE compile on my Razr so I can use Kopete and have a phone call at the same time as using KMail and KOffice to do all my work. I really need this. :-)
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Re: Checklists
by Richard Moore on Friday 11/May/2007, @05:39
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> look good in all resolutions, not only those 800x600 and higher
That's not really practical. Even making 800x600 work ok is difficult, making all resolutions work is basically impossible. We also don't want to make things worse for the majority for the small number of people who run at such low resolutions.
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Re: Checklists
by Chani on Saturday 19/May/2007, @22:00
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when kubuntu messes up monitor detection, it'll force you into 640x480. config dialogs *have* to be usable at this resolution - even if it's ugly and a pain in the ass, it needs to be possible, so that I can get out of that awful resolution as fast as I can.
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Re: Checklists
by ajuc on Friday 11/May/2007, @13:06
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About too big dialogs - I've had that problem many times with my old monitor.
Quick fix is to move dialog window to reach controls you need (you can do this even if you don't see title bar by holding ALT and dragging any point of dialog).
Still - it's very frustrating when you have to do that, and I think 800x600 is a good limit.
Sorry for my English.
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Re: Checklists
by Henry Miller on Monday 14/May/2007, @11:41
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800x600 is the smallest officially supported resolution for kde. Sorry.
Note that we are not against making kde work on your TV, but it is not a supported platform. All we can do is provide scrollbars, which are ugly and hard to use (in this context). Since this is not a supported platform, you will have to do a lot of work yourself.
However my general feeling (and I suspect many people share this) is that 800x600 is as small as you can get and still get any advantage from a general purpose windowing system. If you need to go smaller adds are you don't want a general purpose system anyway, instead you are looking for a specific purpose that useally doesn't involve much input. (watch movies, play games, or some such) In any case, you are going to have to run everything full screen anyway, so why not work with applications designed for that environment.
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Re: Checklists
by Zarantu on Saturday 12/May/2007, @16:18
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Greetingz,
I have an idea for a possible solution for the
'screen size to small' annoyance.
Have Kded (or whatever) check the display size on startup,
and if its smaller then a set minimum size,
place the entire desktop inside a scrollable frame.
also, have a option to force the scroll frame at startup.
Zarantu
PS.. Drop the smilies, use:
"+" it's good
"-" it's bad
"?" undecided
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Re: Checklists
by Malte on Thursday 10/May/2007, @16:02
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Should be no big deal negating all the :( Questions.
Would anyone be mad, if anyone did it? (I would do it, when I get idle within the next days)
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Re: Checklists
by Aaron J. Seigo on Thursday 10/May/2007, @22:19
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better late than never. and while i'm sure a lot of things will be caught for 4.0, there is aproximatley zero reason it can't be continued in 4.1, 4.2, etc. until it's "perfect" (you know, in 4.10 ;)
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Re: Checklists
by Benjamin on Saturday 12/May/2007, @19:36
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Isn't it possible to check automatically or enable runtime talkbacks.
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