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you had me there
by KDE User on Wednesday 23/May/2007, @09:44
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I was so going to write a flame about the placement of the tabs after looking at those screenshots, but I am much happier now that I've read the full article.
Nice work again, Troy, thanks! :)
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Great Work
by Luciano on Wednesday 23/May/2007, @10:02
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It looks just awesome! :)
Really looking forward for the first Beta release.
Bye.
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Screenshot
by Lans on Wednesday 23/May/2007, @10:04
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Once again, great job Troy!
Could you please fix the first and third screenshot? The first one says "The requested URL /dannya/vol14_1x_konsole.png was not found on this server." when clicked, and the third one links to the second one (vol14_356_konsole.png).
I did the survey even if I'm not an active Konsole user - I prefer more 'lightweighted' terminals (I do use Yakuake for irssi though). But it's always fun when you can make your voice heard and help supporting KDE.
I have to say that the improvements look very nice, specially the new interface. This was not mentioned (I think) in the article, but true transparency is something I look forward to see (Yakuake + true transparency = love)
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One mistake
by Troy Unrau on Wednesday 23/May/2007, @10:04
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Mistake: in the title blurb, it should read KDE 1.0, not 2.0. I have it correct in the body. This should probably be corrected before other sites start to pick up the header. My fault, sorry.
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Links
by Plop on Wednesday 23/May/2007, @10:05
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Please, could you check and fix the links (on the images). Some are not working (404) and some leads to the wrong pictures :( .
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Now I have reason to wait for KDE4 :)
by m. on Wednesday 23/May/2007, @10:06
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Well, at last something interesting for real
users in KDE4 instead of useless eyecandy :P
Thanks Robert :)
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How about transparency
by cossidhon on Wednesday 23/May/2007, @10:20
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I know it's in there now, but it's "fake" transparency. It just shows the background, no matter what. It also repaints a bit slow when moving the konsole window.
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Making tea and kio-slaves..
by outolumo on Wednesday 23/May/2007, @12:16
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I wonder if it would be possible to implement (an optional) support for commandline use of kioslaves before implementing the tea feature?
In the sense that there would be on option: "Turn on transparent kio-slave interpretation" (or something) and then on the command line one could type something like "cat http://www.kde.org/" and konsole would use http-kioslave to retrieve the file and then feed it to bash (or whatever) as cat's parameter...
Oh well, down to submit a bug report :-)
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Popup menu
by Grósz Dániel on Wednesday 23/May/2007, @12:22
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Will everything still be configurable in the popup menu when the menu bar is hidden? I find it useful.
I don't think it is a good idea to put Encoding setting in some configuration dialog. I use it frequently and it is also in the menu in Kate and katepart based applications.
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enhancements
by ferdinand on Wednesday 23/May/2007, @13:24
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great to hear the konsole gets enhancements for managing the configuration, it's necessary - but let's get back to earth - how often does the normal user change the configuration of konsole?
IMHO a first time run wizard should/could handle the most wanted features
* location of tabs top/bottom
* color scheme
* keyboard layout
* font
* encoding
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New Tabs
by Hobbes on Wednesday 23/May/2007, @14:50
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In Konsole, does anyone know how to open a new tab (as with ctrl+alt+n) that would bring you to the same directory as the current tab? I have never found the way to do that.
As far as I remember, it is even the default behavior in gnome-terminal.
If it is not possible, I would suggest to put an option in the session(s) configuration (well, profile definition, if I got the changes right), and to enable distinct shortcuts for the sessions/profiles. The latter would be a very interesting feature by itself. :-)
Anyway, thanks for your work. Konsole is extensively used by many of us!
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New search bar
by liquidat on Wednesday 23/May/2007, @14:52
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It would be nice to cover also the new search bar in kosnole:
http://kdemonkey.blogspot.com/2007/03/konsole-progress-searching-history.html
:)
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Configure different colors for stdin and stdout?
by kwilliam on Wednesday 23/May/2007, @14:55
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My #1 wish for Konsole (and Yakuake) is the ability to make standard input a different color from standard output. When I scroll upwards, it is hard to find where I issued a given command, because it is lost among all the output. For example,
user@host:~$ sudo foo
...zillion lines of ouput...
user@host:~$ grep bar
...zillion lines of very similar output...
Currently, all the text is the same color. If the "user@host:~$ foobar" lines were a different color, they would be much easier to find.
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principle
by Ben on Wednesday 23/May/2007, @15:08
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- console settings have to be editable by console, either by editing config files or console commands
- you don't need n different settings for open windows and don't change them twice a day.
Conclusion: concole configuration can be left to an external graphical config tool, e.g. a KcontrolCenter Module. It is also better to make a program Konsoleprofile which generates konsolethemes and you as a user can only select from 5-12 predefined good themes for the konsole. You shouldn't invent them yourself and if so that is the task of another program, not for everyday settings. powerusers will edit the config files.
The settings-codes menu is obsolete.
And the Konsole handbook is absolutely not helpful for beginners. It includes everything you don't want to know.
Remove KDE 2.0 style usability hells like the marmor background prefab setting
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Thank you
by Med on Wednesday 23/May/2007, @15:50
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Thank you Troy for this nice report and thank you Robert for this very promising konsole. I use it all day long and i really appreciate your work improving it.
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Incompatible copy/paste shortcuts
by JS on Wednesday 23/May/2007, @22:14
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Please, please, do something with the copy/paste shortcuts in Konsole (standard is CTRL+C/CTRL+V).
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yay! :)
by Chani on Wednesday 23/May/2007, @22:32
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I never understood konsole settings - even the control centre is easy compared to that thing ;)
my favourite improvement: qt4 handles fonts much better, so I can actually see *all* the chinese characters in konsole and not just a fraction of them. :)
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Tab buttons?
by sin on Thursday 24/May/2007, @00:21
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I use tab close and open buttons. Where they gone?
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Don't bash KDE3
by cb400f on Thursday 24/May/2007, @02:04
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Nice article all in all. But a bit of an emotional rollercoaster, I think the bashing of KDE3 Konsole goes too far. But all's well that ends well I guess.
Sure it's very nice that it's gotten some extra polish, but it wasn't that bad, neither is the rest of KDE3. It seems that a lot of people have bought into the GNOME "FUD" about KDE usability.
Don't believe it, as Will Stephenson writes here:
http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2816
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tab titles
by Rob Funk on Thursday 24/May/2007, @04:51
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Do the tab improvements include optionally getting (part of) the tab title from the xterm window title that can be set from the shell?
I have this in my .bashrc:
case $TERM in
xterm*)
PROMPT_COMMAND='echo -ne "\033]0;${USER}@${HOSTNAME%%.*}\007"'
;;
esac
So before every prompt, bash sets my window title to username@hostname. Sometimes this feature is used to show the current directory. It's always bugged my that this information doesn't appear on the tab title.
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Konsole a replacement for VT200 terminal emulator
by Frits on Thursday 24/May/2007, @07:15
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Just wondering if one could use Konsole for VT200-sessions instead of e.g. Reflections.
Would mean a lot to our production environment....
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Border in fullscreen
by Helmudt on Thursday 24/May/2007, @08:54
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Thanks for the improved Konsole! :)
Also, could you remove (or make optional) the extra border in KDE 3.5.5 that makes a true full-screen console impossible?
thanks
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I Really Like the Existing Konsole..
by Matthew C. Tedder on Thursday 24/May/2007, @09:19
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Frankly, I find the settings menu and dialog to be very intuitive. Although I use it every day, I was able to find what I am looking for the first time I ever tried. It was easier than in kwrite, kword, kspread--and god forbid konversation that doesn't even have a copy/paste option. But I will wait and see, before I judge the new setup.
Also, I really like the tabs along the bottom of the window and would prefer that over having them up top, near the menu. I might accidentally click on a menu.
The split-screen option could be VERY useful. I am happy to see that.
Another feature that could be very useful, is to have a toggle button handy to switch between modes of capturing or not capturing CTL-Z, X, C, and V. Because it really sucks having to use the edit menu.. and the middle-mouse button doesn't always give what I copied.. It gives whatever I last selected--which is sometimes different.
Matthew
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please
by redeeman on Thursday 24/May/2007, @09:45
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Please allow the konsole look to be as it currently is in kde 3.5, with tab bar at bottom, and the button to create new tab. I really dont like the look put forth with tabs at top, though i think that can be configured, since it is KDE after all :D
i love the split functionality though.
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xterm like option add
by kollum on Thursday 24/May/2007, @10:22
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Hi.
I discovered xterm at scool because we use a cad suit whitch has been designed to work with xterm's third button action.
The thing is that when you press the right button, it will past ... the_selected_text to the prompt, and an alias ...='/path/to/scipt.sh' make it quite nice.
for example : enter ls -l
it print every file and directory. then double click one dir name, and press right button. The script detects that $1 is a directory, and cd to it, the call ls -l so you can go throught dirs the way you would in konqueror ! (ok, you can't get preview of files there :)
But even further : if the directory is one from the cad (ie it contains files named as suposed to be ) it will open in the designer software.
do it whith a postscrip file, it open it in ghostview etc...
So my whish for konsole in that regard would be an inteligent past. I mean, when clicking the middle moose button, AND IF THE PROMPT IS EMPTY, launch a user defined script. Comming whith a good one may turn konsole use much better.
Kind regards.
Kollum
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worst menu...
by Carlo on Thursday 24/May/2007, @14:08
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> Possibly the worst settings menu of any KDE application in KDE 3.5.6 follows:
Made me think about what's the worst menu in KDE. I think it's Kate's "Extras" menu. Second is its "Document" menu (when having so much files open that it is multiple columns it's really annonying) on my list. Other candidates!?
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No clickable links?
by mX on Thursday 24/May/2007, @14:56
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Yeah, Konsole has an awful settings setup, but messing with it is a waste when there are more important issues to take care of. You only change Konsole's setting once, when its lack of clickable links matters nearly every hour of every day. GNOME-Terminal has it, XFCE's Terminal has it, Mac OS X's Terminal.app has it (CMD+double click)... but Konsole lacks it. You may as well be using xterm.
It's been discussed before, where the Konsole people want to make it more general than just URLs. But what does that entail? Wasted time, that's what.
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set mouse=a
by hacosta on Thursday 24/May/2007, @16:31
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konsole doesn't work fine with vim when the option set mouse=a is on, when you select text it doesn't give the right feedback.. (compare it to xterm) it was something related to mouse protocol 2 or something like that.. and considering there is no vim client for kde.. this kind of sucks, can this feature be implemented
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Konsole looking good!!
by effzee on Friday 25/May/2007, @07:58
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Looks great, hope that we have some flexibility in setting the titlebar text; my biggest annoyance with Konsole atm!
Keep up the good work, it's really appreciated :)
z.
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Tea, finally!
by faketroll on Sunday 27/May/2007, @04:22
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It's nice to finally see those hard-hearted developers dealing with the severe beverage usability issues in KDE. My old Apple II used to make tea for me when I first woke up, and then it fetched the paper and walked the dog for me. It's 2007 now people, and KDE is only _now_ catching up. Jeez!
On a more serious note, I'm grateful to Robert for the progress with konsole! I didn't realize I was missing some of these features, but they will be nice to have. Thanks!
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Wow, a gnome-terminal clone
by Flax on Tuesday 29/May/2007, @14:43
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The third screenshot from the bottom is almost identical to gnome-terminal. In fact, most of the changes seem to be... "borrowed" from the aforementioned. There's nothing wrong with that, gnome-terminal is a good terminal emulator (way better than the old Konsole which was horrific) but this is just like the similarities between Naut and.. what did they call it.. Dolphin?
Ah well, I never did like KDE so perhaps this subtle GNOMEification en-route to KDE4 will make it somewhat better. Certainly beats KDE's usual copying of OSX and Windows with their horrible design sense. C'mon people, the proprietary OSes don't actually have all the answers and - regardless of what Shuttleworth says - Linux should not try to be Windows plus Mac, it already has so much more to offer.
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KDE4 Konsole - the road to Gnome
by vince on Friday 27/Jun/2008, @18:53
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I use console ALOT, and while have no problems with the simplification of a convoluted and complex menu structure i do have a problem with the reduction of useabilty and configuration options. I see no particular advantage to a menu in my console, as i am using a command line because i need to type commands. One of the most usefull things about the old tab bar was the button for a New Console, as thats were the mouse was (at the bottom near all the tabs) the menu was turned off (just extra clutter) and it's alot easier than ctrl-shift-N. There are many examples of this type of thing in KDE4, I will keep using KDE3.59 untill it no longer ships, then i will switch to gnome, which although i find more anoying to use, works KDE4 seems broken even when its running as it should.
Vince
(KDE user since version 1.x)
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