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Re: KHTML as a Qt Widget!
by paul on Monday 02/Jul/2007, @13:56

yeah, really looking forward to that bloat fest.

1900932 jui 2 22:39 libQtCore.so.4.3.0*
9238672 jui 2 22:39 libQtGui.so.4.3.0*

15170192 jui 2 22:38 libQtWebKit.so.1.0.0

That's right. WebKit alone is already much bigger than all of Qt Core+Gui and duplicates most of'em. Yay for code reuse.

And you've seen nothing yet as browser vendors are just about to start the HTML5/CSS3 feature war and push even more useless crap down our throats. Madness.

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Re: KHTML as a Qt Widget!
by George Staikos on Monday 02/Jul/2007, @14:33

That's some might excellent compiling you've done. My WebKit is 3MB.

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Re: KHTML as a Qt Widget!
by paul on Monday 02/Jul/2007, @18:32

> My WebKit is 3MB

in its bz2-compressed archive? Yes, whatever.

you know, you can spin it all the way, cripple your build into uselessness and remove every feature there exist a switch for, that won't change the simple and unavoidable fact that a great deal of WebKit is about reimplementing Qt.

Oh wait, you did not denied that anyway.

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Re: KHTML as a Qt Widget!
by illissius on Wednesday 04/Jul/2007, @02:46

WebKit: 15MB
Average hard drive: 100000MB

I think we'll cope. The other risks and rewards of WebKit are of a much higher order of significance than a mere 15MB. And much of this code reimplementing Qt which you take exception with is a requirement for WebKit's wide portability -- how else could Apple use it in their Cocoa-based Safari browser, and at the same time, KDE in their Qt-based applications? There are GTK implementations, as well. This portability has a very concrete and significant benefit: web developers are far more likely to test and optimise their code for rendering engines with higher marketshares.

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Re: KHTML as a Qt Widget!
by Henning on Tuesday 03/Jul/2007, @04:44

I guess you forgot to strip the debug symbols...

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Re: KHTML as a Qt Widget!
by paul on Tuesday 03/Jul/2007, @06:14

Of course not. All those libraries are built with comparable options and stripped.
It's possible to make them all somewhat smaller (though the size george states is pure bullshit), but that won't change the size ratio.

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Re: KHTML as a Qt Widget!
by Sebastian Kügler on Tuesday 03/Jul/2007, @06:49

Paul,

KDE is actually a friendly community and respecting each other is the basis for working together well.

It's highly disrespectful to say that one of our core contributors is 'talking bullshit', and I'd like to ask you to show the due respect to the people who work on Free Software -- often those are volunteers and are being put off by comments as yours. Besides that, your points are very weakened by the way you're putting them forward.

So please show the due respect or just stop posting. Also, an excuse for your rude behaviour towards George is in place.

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Re: KHTML as a Qt Widget!
by paul on Tuesday 03/Jul/2007, @08:13

well I think very highly both of friendship and of respecting each other.

Respect is first and foremost about not ruthlessly steping accross some virtual lines that define the limits of trust and honesty between well behaved individuals.

When some people consistently confuse Public Relation Spin and outright deception, distorting facts for the benefit of a specific agenda, they are doing a great disservice to the community and showing complete disrespect to people who argue with real world technical evidence.

Once you've crossed that border a great many times, you can't expect people to show much respect for your arguments in return.

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Re: KHTML as a Qt Widget!
by jospoortvliet on Wednesday 04/Jul/2007, @01:40

I agree George could've responded better, eg go into the duplicating thing you where talking about. Still, I think you where very rude, and I agree with Sebas here - saying sorry wouldn't hurt anybody.

Of course, it's up to you, and luckily most of us can handle some rudeness (after all, geeks aren't known for their social skills). And this is an interesting topic you got there - I'm no hacker, so I don't know much about this. So I'd love to hear how Webkit is duplicating stuff in Qt. And if it is, doesn't that go for every html engine, or is it webkit specific (due to it being crossplatform or something?). And can something be done about that? (after all, if so, they might be working on that already).

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