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Re: truth about RH, novell, ubuntu, gnome, fsf
by binner on Tuesday 10/Jul/2007, @00:35
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> FSF pretty much dictates RH and novell's agenda.
Ah, so it was the FSF initiating the deal with Microsoft? ;-)
> Novell has retained some of the KDE developers it inherited from SUSE
Actually SUSE employs the same amount of developers to work on KDE than before the acquisition by Novell, and three of five current developers were hired after.
> it tries to be just like RH ( supporting only ext2/3 and gnome )
You're mistaken, SUSE does support KDE and ReiserFS 3.
> The 'kernel developers' hired by novell and RH are in MA
Massachusetts?
> Interesting how novell moved its systems development operations to MA after acquiring SUSE.
Strange that Novell just sent out a press release last week about expanding the Nuremberg location.
> All these facts can be verified.
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Re: truth about RH, novell, ubuntu, gnome, fsf
by doh on Tuesday 10/Jul/2007, @02:30
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> Strange that Novell just sent out a press release last week about expanding the Nuremberg location.
Please give a link. Their job search at http://www.novell.com/job_search/servlet/eJobSearch doesn't even list Nuremberg as one of their locations.
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Re: truth about RH, novell, ubuntu, gnome, fsf
by binner on Tuesday 10/Jul/2007, @04:17
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Maybe it was a Germany only press release: http://www.verivox.de/News/ArticleDetails.asp?aid=55749&pm=1
> Their job search [..] doesn't even list Nuremberg as one of their locations.
You have to look at the EMEA page: http://www.novell.com/offices/emea/jobs/
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Re: truth about RH, novell, ubuntu, gnome, fsf
by v m on Tuesday 10/Jul/2007, @04:06
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Get over novell and m$. ALL commercial companies have business agreements. IBM has been a m$ pimp for decades ( and still are) and so is dell. And both these cos are current favourites among (clueless) linux geeks today.
Do not confuse opensuse with novell/SLED. In SLED, they carefully removed kmail, konqueror and other key KDE apps from the KDE distro. In fact it is RH that offers ( a largely labotimized and buggy version of) KDE; novell has made press releases quite some time ago that they will officially support only gnome. So, even though you can hunt for KDE and install it on their "enterprise" desktop/server, guess what businesses do when they see the word "support"? Not to mention, novell is trying to integrate all the s/w that is important to businesses with gnome.
Show me proof that they recently hired (or trying) KDE developers.It should be easy - just post links to jobs at novell that are pertinent. The same goes for their German location. Most of the (important)jobs when I looked, listed MA . Not even Utah, much less Germany.
Ximian plays a big role in Novell's overall strategy. And they are the originators of gnome. de icaza hates KDE with a passion. Sure, novell cannot touch opensuse because it is a community effort but how long do you think they will keep employing people who are not important for their corporate strategy ?
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Re: truth about RH, novell, ubuntu, gnome, fsf
by v m on Tuesday 10/Jul/2007, @04:24
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And BTW, FUD works. People in my org have almost no experience with linux. Even these people have swallowed the RH agenda somehow. They frown on me when I install KDE instead of gnome. I didn't realize they were even aware of KDE or gnome ( because they don't use linux) ! The only reason they don't like KDE is because of FUD.
People in the KDE community may have become complacent about gnome ( because there is less animosity on mailing lists) and gnome people believe that they already won the desktop 'battle' ( hence less animosity). Truth of the matter is that linux is still rarely used on the desktop in businesses (at least in the US) and so it doesn't matter yet. As for 3rd world countries, they just replace linux with pirated windows versions. I wouldn't be surprised if OLPC laptop gets hacked to run windows.
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Re: truth about RH, novell, ubuntu, gnome, fsf
by binner on Tuesday 10/Jul/2007, @04:27
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> And BTW, FUD works.
That means you will continue to FUD here? ;-(
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Re: truth about RH, novell, ubuntu, gnome, fsf
by Mauricio Piacentini on Thursday 12/Jul/2007, @17:56
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>Truth of the matter is that linux is still rarely used on the desktop in >businesses (at least in the US)
Worldwide I do not think the above is true. In Brazil for example the absolute majority of Linux desktops (government, companies or individuals) is KDE-based.
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Re: truth about RH, novell, ubuntu, gnome, fsf
by binner on Tuesday 10/Jul/2007, @04:25
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> In SLED, they carefully removed kmail, konqueror and other key KDE apps
You're wrong again: SLED does contain KMail, Konqueror and other key KDE apps.
> they will officially support only gnome.
That's wrong or obsolete: KDE is supported, on all products including SLED.
> Show me proof that they recently hired (or trying) KDE developers.
What's the point showing that at the moment no new developers are hired?
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Re: truth about RH, novell, ubuntu, gnome, fsf
by Artem S. Tashkinov on Thursday 12/Jul/2007, @22:59
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> You're mistaken, SUSE does support KDE and ReiserFS 3.
Fact N1: Novell has officially abandoned ReiserFS support after Hans Reiser was detained after being accused of killing his spouse.
Fact N2: Only recently Novell confessed they would continue KDE support. The truth is that Novell gave up on KDE after acquiring Suse.
Fact N3: Novell decided to continue supporting KDE after being pressed by their _corporate_ users.
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Re: truth about RH, novell, ubuntu, gnome, fsf
by binner on Friday 13/Jul/2007, @01:31
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Your "facts" are wrong: Novell supports ReiserFS 3 as said, the "announcement" to not include ReiserFS 4 as long it's not in the upstream Linux kernel was done IIRC one week before Hans Reiser being accused.
About KDE, Novell "confessed" its support for KDE in 2005 (nothing I would call "recently") only days after some rumor article saying that it would be chopped. And that article was posted two years after Novell acquired SuSE so your association with "after acquiring" is far-fetched.
It's always funny when some outsider thinks that he knows more than some company insider ;-)...
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