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Re: A sad state of affairs
by Anon on Tuesday 10/Jul/2007, @10:34

"Dude, we had 250 developers at Akademy, and are averaging somewhere on the order of 350 commits per day."

At the risk of causing an unpleasant flamewar, this statistic should be contrasted with GNOME+Gtk, which combined averages around 4500 or so commits a month, compared to KDE's 9000+ - i.e. if we count raw commits, GNOME+Gtk is *half as active* as KDE, and due to GNOME's policy of having many mini-releases in between its major releases, hundreds of these are merely updated translations for apps, or tagging releases, updating changelogs etc - i.e. commits where not a single line of code is changed.

KDE's 9k+ commits a month, of course, does not count improvements to Qt, which also seems to be very actively developed. Does anyone know if Trolltech release stats such as the number of commits per month ... ?

If I was going to be worried about the state of one of the desktops, it wouldn't be KDE :)

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Re: A sad state of affairs
by vm on Tuesday 10/Jul/2007, @14:10

>> If I was going to be worried about the state of one of the desktops, it wouldn't be KDE

Well, we all know how prevalent windows is on the desktop compared to linux and it has nothing to do with technical superiority, stability, number of devs etc. Gnome is in a similar situation w.r.t. KDE as 'doze has w.r.t. linux. All the 'major' companies such as RH, novell and Sun are backing gnome. Of course, since that hasn't led to any real adoption, it doesn't seem to matter. Besides, none of these cos really make any great desktop s/w sales to corporations that we know of.

This should not be misinterpreted as all software cos backing gnome - in fact most of them only back windows. It is more of a political thing; how much it will matter in the future remains to be seen.

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Re: A sad state of affairs
by Thiago Macieira on Thursday 12/Jul/2007, @13:49

No, Trolltech doesn't release such stats. But if you look at Lars Knoll's presentation at aKademy, you'll see that they have a team of 40+ people working on Qt fulltime.

Also note that Qt developers work in a rather flexible environment and may be working on "research" projects. Those commits may not count towards the Qt development, but they mean work is being done.

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Re: A sad state of affairs
by Anon on Thursday 12/Jul/2007, @13:55

I see - thank you, Thiago :)

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Re: A sad state of affairs
by Artem S. Tashkinov on Thursday 12/Jul/2007, @23:03

> compared to KDE's 9000+ - i.e. if we count raw commits, GNOME+Gtk is *half as active* as KDE

Where can I find such statistics?

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Re: A sad state of affairs
by Anon on Thursday 12/Jul/2007, @23:42

Oops, sorry:

http://cia.vc/

keeps the tally for the last month. KDE's full history of commits can be found at

http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-commits&r=1&w=2

I don't know where GNOME keeps theirs, but I do know that (according to cia.vc), they've had < 5000 commits for at least two months running (when I started checking these things).

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Re: A sad state of affairs
by Anon on Friday 13/Jul/2007, @00:59

"I don't know where GNOME keeps theirs"

Aha - http://mail.gnome.org/archives/svn-commits-list/.

It doesn't seem to contain valid data before Jan '07.

It looks like cia.vc undercounts both KDE and GNOME, as GNOME made 5283 commits according to this list (but 4838 according to cia.vc; a shortfall of 445) and KDE made 10867 according to the kde-commits mailing list, whereas cia.vc reported just 9864 (a shortfall of 1003).

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