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Remoing Kio-Slaves
by Sutoka on Monday 09/Jul/2007, @20:31
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"system:/ and home:/ KIOSlaves removed, with preparations to remove media:/ in the near future."
If those kioslaves are going away whats being added to replace them? I always found media to be really useful (quick and easy access to the USB devices or my CD I just put in... I guess I could use /media but that doesn't have the option to eject or set the special properties and the like which I found very useful).
On a side note Kollagame looks very nice, theres quite a lack of simple and easy to use game engines available in the open source world. Hopefully the scripting language(s) used are relatively simple and easy to use.
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media:/
by Fast_Rizwaan on Tuesday 10/Jul/2007, @02:30
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It seems to be a new trend of commit-digest saying "what is being removed" without telling "What will be the alternative of the removed feature!" causing much hue and cry of kde users ;)
I presume that KDE4 will get a "My Computer" like interface/place where things are automagically (using dbus+hal+solid) and seemlessly accessible/mounted/unmounted.
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Nice work on Kollagame!
by Phase II on Tuesday 10/Jul/2007, @02:56
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It's an interesting gaming niche and one can be surprised to find how many of these small-time RPGs are written (mostly, if not all with proprietary game makers for Windows). Within a short time one will come up with dozens of exciting new ideas how to make that an even better project. It's also one of the apps that will surely benefit hugely from a Windows port, exposing itself to a big new crowd of potential game makers.
It's also something I proposed in the KDE games survey.. if someone ever bothered to read that ;-)
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rant. please ignore.
by MamiyaOtaru on Tuesday 10/Jul/2007, @05:02
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"Dolphin embedded as the file management view in Konqueror"
To me the whole message about the purpose of Konqueror and Dolphin is a mess. In response to criticism of local and internet bookmarks and other things being mixed together, Dolphin was born to be a second filebrowsing app. Of course, Konqueror had to retain its filebrowsing capabilities for those who didn't like how pared down, sparse or dumbed down Dolphin was. Then, as the reality of Dolphin being the default sank in, Dolphin gained more and more features (Dolphin can use Konqueror service menus, option to have Delete instead of Move to Trash in context menu, treeview). So much for simplicity. It just can't be done while satisfying everyone who will be using it.
And now, Konqueror will be Dolphin while filebrowsing? IIRC Dolphin will open a lot of stuff in external viewers no? Isn't that what made it a "file browser" instead of a "universal viewer?" Whatever the differences, If Konqueror will now behave as Dolphin in filebrowsing mode I don't see why it should even bother.
All this effort to simplify things, and KDE can't even decide whether or not to draw a distinction between viewing the internet and viewing local files. Separate apps, or the same app for both? How about both options? We'll have both separate apps *and* an app that does both! Brilliant! All we need now is a dedicated webbrowsing app. Perhaps Konqueror can embed it for viewing webpages. Perhaps Konqueror can simply become "the desktop".
*spirals further into ranting*
With the kmail and mailody strikes me as similarly odd. All of this "we must make things simpler" is useless without real changes. Digikam for example: having to add a camera? Having to figure out what model it is? Having to choose the right entry when you have several? Retarded, especially in the case that the USB system conspires to give it a different number each time necessitating a dance along the lines of Remove Camera, Auto Scan, Add each time you wish to use it so that it accesses the right port (what my grandfather has to do, and can never remember how to do). If AutoScan can pick it up every time, it shouldn't have to be explicitly invoked. Just do it and let the user access whatever camera(s) may be attached at the moment.
Then there's Koffice. File->New brings up a mess of a dialog that in addition to letting you choose from a bunch of templates also duplicates the functionality of File->Open and File->Open Recent: things that obviously fit with the task of creating a new document. And those responsible actually think this makes sense, and that the layout (with columns and buttons sprayed all over the place) is sensible. Recent Documents is grouped with the templates, while Open Existing (for all those documents that don't happen to be recent) is its own solitary button off someplace else, and the Use This Template button (for opening a blank document, as people tend to want to do when starting koffice from its icon istead of doubleclicking a koffice document in one of two filebrowsers) is in some nebulous location in the middle of the dialog. WTH.
Kaffeine has gone from a videoplayer that does what it needs to do with important controls well laid out to an awful tabbed monstrosity with more complex keybindings and the all important ability to put the progress bar wherever you want. Ktorrent feels that *IDEA* is a great interface for the task of downloading things. Amarok has a playlist that mutated ungracefully into the main window with an alphabet soup of widgets. Cervisia provides a way to integrate CVS into Konqueror even though almost everyone uses SVN or Git or something else now. One has to have kghostview installed and cluttering up the kmenu for print preview to work in anything. Kget doesn't actually resume timed out downloads on its own at all. Kcontrol is about to be replaced by an OSX knockoff that still manages to add tabs. It's impossible to make a simple pie chart in Kchart (a pie chart with 3 values needs a 4x4 table with the values reading left to right in row 2 starting with column 2 and their corresponding labels entered *top to bottom* in column 1, starting with row 2. Makes a lot of sense).
There are just so many things that actually need fixing that it frustrates me to see so much effort churning into duplicating functionality with new applications.
No responses needed or really wanted. I'm just ranting; I know nothing will change. I've been watching for years what makes KDE and Linux unusable day to day for ordinary people and stuff like Dolphin, Mailody, Plasma etc. doesn't address it. It makes me irritable. I can't recommend this to anyone and I no longer do.
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Requesting for details regarding the kioslaves
by Jucato on Tuesday 10/Jul/2007, @06:18
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I'm just extremely anxious and curious about the removal of system:/ and media:/ kioslaves. I am aware that their current implementations are not even close to perfect. I'm just wondering whether alternatives to these have been considered.
If there's a mailing list thread I can refer to, or a proper place to ask this question, please do tell.
(Because I hate to see the Dot become a ranting ground :P)
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But is konqueror itself getting any love?
by Marius on Tuesday 10/Jul/2007, @08:27
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But is konqueror itself getting any love? It seemed alot worse of than dolphin in alpha 2 so i hope there are plans to really get it up to speed soon, it's my favourite kde application.
I know that alot of code is shared between them and so on but i'd love to see some more work go into konq itself.
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Konqueror improvement suggestions
by Grósz Dániel on Tuesday 10/Jul/2007, @08:38
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Two weeks ago there was a thread about that there were no Konqueror development activities for a long time. Emil Sedgh asked Danny about this and he answered that 'Konqueror is just a shell around KDE Technologies.It hasnt much codebase.'
Then I suggested a non-exhaustive list of improvements that could and should be made on Konqueror the shell as it is still an important KDE application and the default web browser but I was late so no answers came.
So here is my list:
- Session handling (almost every other browser does this and it would also be usable in the file manager)
- Better profile handling (more settings stored in profiles, e. g. toolbars)
- Better tab handling: rearranging tabs (currently dragging a tab to an other place duplicates it), Undo close, etc.
- Home button which reloads th start page of the current profile (for some people it is a major problem that the home button directs to the home directory when they browse the web)
- Better arranged configuration area: a tiny central configuration and the configuration area of the filemanager (Dolphin), khtml, kpdf, whichever is currently used
- File information sidebar. I know Dolphin has this, but it could also be implemented in KDE, as many people would continue to use Konqueror as a file manager. (See our debate at http://dot.kde.org/1172721427/1172897220/1172915550/1172918074/ . So is the purpose of Dolphin to be really a subset of Konqueror?)
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Koffice and open document
by Christian on Tuesday 10/Jul/2007, @15:35
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I was wondering if anyone could clarify what commits like this one for kspread
OpenDocument Loading/saving.
I thought kspread was already using odf. I'm extra curious what this means in the context of flake since I've also seen mention of flake rendering or saving in odf. For things like kword and kspread that already use opendocument, what do these commits mean?
Thanks for all your work!
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Dolphin becoming a Whale
by Nach on Tuesday 10/Jul/2007, @23:28
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"Dolphin embedded as the file management view in Konqueror"
I thought we were going to have a choice on which to use. If I don't like Dolphin, and Dolphin powers the file management in Konqueror, how do I end up having a choice?
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