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Re: Maybe wrong priorities ?
by Aaron J. Seigo on Tuesday 11/Sep/2007, @15:38
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perhaps all the people who use those apps? or the developers who work hard on them? the parents with kids who use Free Software and would like some educational tools to use?
have you even seen kalzium or kstars or marble or kiten any of the other kdeedu apps? they are pretty amazing apps.
remember that this is open source software where people are scratching their itches and having fun. it isn't all about working towards some imaginary Single Vision Approach with a Central Product and Hard Customer Goals. people can and should work on what they want and we, as a community around it, should applaud everyone's efforts.
and if you really, really must find a pragmatic reason for these apps consider that they help make kdelibs better which benefits other apps, introduce free software to young people so that we're not trying to teach them about it when they are adults and allow us to compete it one more software category.
still, i don't think we need a pragmatic reason to do this other than "because the edu developers want to".
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Re: Maybe wrong priorities ?
by Nick L. on Tuesday 11/Sep/2007, @16:16
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Don't get me wrong. I have no doubt all these are useful applications with a certain target audience and that kdelibs benefits from them. I also agree that the developers of each application can do what they like :D It just seems odd to me that kde 4.0 will lack a few important things, but luckily not state of the art kgeometry and ksudoku :o Still, this is just an observation and not meant to be taken in a bad way. It's just late and I need some company :)
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Re: Maybe wrong priorities ?
by Allen on Tuesday 11/Sep/2007, @16:37
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Instead of replying to yet-another silly posting I'll simply say:
Thanks kdeedu folks. You are great and you create useful, fun, quality, important, neat, educational (not just for kids)... well, simply wonderful software.
Hugs, Allen
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Re: Maybe wrong priorities ?
by Nick L. on Wednesday 12/Sep/2007, @03:08
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In what way is what I am saying "silly" ? And what position do you hold to judge it and indirectly characterize me in such a way ? Maybe that of "God" ? :/ I won't recycle my opinion, it's right on the above post. If you want to misunderstand it, please do so. The fact is : basic functional requirements > toys & more, but everything should be well accepted. Peace.
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Re: Maybe wrong priorities ?
by Albert Astals Cid on Wednesday 12/Sep/2007, @03:58
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Let's analize why your comment is bad and silly.
1 - You say "who cares about KDE-EDU" and then you say "Anyways, cheers to all", saying something rude and then something "nice" does not make people forgot the rudeness.
2 - You assume that KDE-EDU developers could be "magically" reassigned to "more important parts", as you call them. But actually i am almost sure all KDE-EDU developers are non-paid developers, so you can't just reassign them because they work on what they like.
3 - Your rudeness analized in point 1 will probably make non-paid developers of point 2 sad and maybe they'll loose motivation, that would mean less developers on KDE-EDU and no new developers on "mode important parts", congrats you just made us lose developers!
4 - You assume that KDE-EDU developers are some kind of wizard programmers that can just go to "more important parts", read it's non trivial code they have never seen before and fix the code without any problem. That's not true.
So your comment is bad because of 3 and silly because of 4.
Peace.
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Re: Maybe wrong priorities ?
by Nick L. on Wednesday 12/Sep/2007, @06:51
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1. You are right here, I'm sorry if I offended anyone though I didn't mean to.
2. Here you are wrong. I do not assume anything, you make false assumptions about things I didn't say. I just made what is called an "observation", you obviously interpreted it as a "suggestion" or "trying to boss around". Your mistake then.
3. Wow. I can't express my opinion because when I do KDE loses developers ? Lame way of thinking. Although you are right again I should choose my words more carefully.
4. Again, I do not assume and I do not assign people to projects. Everyone is part of this only because of his free will and anything he does is enough.
So, my initial comment expressed a valid OBSERVATION (note the word) in a rude way, for which I apologize. If you choose to look at the finger and miss the moon help yourself ...
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Re: Maybe wrong priorities ?
by Long H. on Wednesday 12/Sep/2007, @11:03
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>So, my initial comment expressed a valid OBSERVATION (note the word) in a rude
>way, for which I apologize. If you choose to look at the finger and miss the moon
>help yourself ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communication
An observation with which purpose? Sorry, but IMHO it's worth nothing.
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Re: Maybe wrong priorities ?
by Aaron J. Seigo on Wednesday 12/Sep/2007, @06:34
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> basic functional requirements
and for some people, these apps approach being a basic functional requirement.
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Re: Maybe wrong priorities ?
by Nick L. on Wednesday 12/Sep/2007, @06:56
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I disagree. These are not the basic functional requirements of a windowing system. They are extras, just like a word processor or an image manipulation application is extra.
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Re: Maybe wrong priorities ?
by Marijn Kruisselbrink on Wednesday 12/Sep/2007, @07:04
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Fortunately KDE is not a windowing system, but a desktop environment, and they might very well be basic functional requirements of a desktop environment for some users.
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Re: Maybe wrong priorities ?
by Nick L. on Wednesday 12/Sep/2007, @07:36
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That's what I actually wanted to say. This board lacks an edit post feature :D Of course KDE is a desktop environment and a variety of applications are supposed to be integrated with it. This doesn't mean it doesn't consist of major and minor components. However, in a distributed development model such as the one deployed by the free software community, putting priorities in every task is a bit hard since developers are not paid workers, but hobbyists. That's why I'm not expecting or demanding things, just pointing out what strikes me as odd :)
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Re: Maybe wrong priorities ?
by Erik on Thursday 13/Sep/2007, @00:54
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> just pointing out what strikes me as odd :)
Doing what you want is far from being odd. Sharing it with others appreciating and using it is very even.
lg
Erik
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Re: Maybe wrong priorities ?
by Arnomane on Tuesday 11/Sep/2007, @17:40
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Well do you think it would be the right priority focussing entirely on yet another text editor, yet another terminal emulator, yet another...? Every desktop has its own functional apps for these purposes. For sure Kate is a great editor and Konsole a great terminal (although I now use Yakuake which in turn is based on konsolepart thanks to KDE's clever design) but do you think I can convince e.g. a Textpad (cute Windows editor) user or a die hard xterm friend using KDE just because of Kate or Konsole?
No. I can only convince people (that don't care about digital freedom initially) using KDE if I can show them _unique_ KDE features.
There is no other free desktop having such a broad range of educational applications (even not third party apps basing on that desktop). Ever wondered why Edubuntu features KDE-Edu apps as their key component although it is based on GNOME? You can be sure that Edubuntu people would have never made KDE-Edu their key component if there would be something remotely comparable to KDE-Edu.
And I am sure the OLPC people will realize sooner or later that there is no way without KDE-Edu if they don't want to provide a really cute hardware with a crappy software. OLPC people are currently stuck with their view that KDE (GNOME as well) is too big, too demanding and too complex for OLPC and thus made the failure not evaluating KDE-Edu. I am sure someday they will realize that KDE is anything else but a big monolitical BLOB you cannot modularize and that it is easier "sugarizing" KDE-Edu than rebuilding everything with their own PyGTK based Sugar environment.
Educational software is not your priority but it definitely is for a huge amount of completly new users. KDE is the world leader in free edu software. So do not understimate KDE-Edu's potential for the KDE world domination (TM).
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