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Re: Long live, KDE3!
by Sebastian Kügler on Tuesday 16/Oct/2007, @15:50
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KDE 3.5 will probably be supported for years, but active development has (and also should have) shifted to KDE 4. That said, there are already some nice things in the pipeline for 3.5.9. :-)
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Re: Long live, KDE3!
by James Richard Tyrer on Tuesday 16/Oct/2007, @16:23
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Thank you, I appreciate knowing that support will not cease.
I find that there are some issues with supporting libraries that are going to need to be addressed if that is going to be a reality. Such issues might be fixed by the maintainers of the libraries or the problems might continue to occur with other libraries.
It appears that the problems with aRts and Glib have been resolved which is good to see although I'm not clear on exactly how it was fixed.
I note that I build from source so some of these problems may have been fixed by your distro. I am still having multimedia issues (not all of them KDE).
Kaboodle and Noatun have simply quit working although the embedded audio player still works. I haven't been able to figure out the cause. This isn't a large issue since Kaffine and KPlayer work fine.
KView and KPat won't open JPEG files. This must be a specific issue with imlib since some other KDE apps have no problems. I also don't seem to get new thumbnails of JPEG files which probably isn't an imlib issue.
KDELibs won't build against the current version of LibArt_LGPL. It is possible that this is only a header issue.
Yes, I need to write bugs for these as well as do further research to find the exact causes.
IAC, continued support is appreciated.
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Re: Long live, KDE3!
by Morty on Wednesday 17/Oct/2007, @07:44
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"Kaboodle and Noatun have simply quit working although the embedded audio player still works. I haven't been able to figure out the cause. This isn't a large issue since Kaffine and KPlayer work fine"
Kaboodle and Noatun both uses aRts while Kaffine and KPlayer don't, so your aRts install is most likely not correct. Or something is preventing aRts from accessing the soundcard.
What you mean by the embedded audio player, im not sure. But if it's something browser embedded, it's most likely handled by Kaffine and KPlayer. If it's system sounds, they may be configured to play directly with alsaplay or something going directly to your soundcard.
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Re: Long live, KDE3!
by James Richard Tyrer on Friday 19/Oct/2007, @18:48
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The "Test Sound" button in the "Sound System" plays a sound, so I doubt that aRts is totally broken as you presume. Also, the System Notifications work.
However, this might be an aRts issue. I am using the current SVN branch 1.5.
Actually the name is "Embedded Media Player(Kaboodle Component)". This ships with KDE. I think that the same code is used for the "Navigation Panel" "Media Player" and the "Previews". However, I note that EMP(KC) only works for audio, trying to play a video results in Konqueror hanging.
Originally, all KDE sound went through aRts. I don't know what currently uses aRts and what doesn't if KDE is built "--with-arts". If this works for you, what aRts version are you using and where did you get it?
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Re: Long live, KDE3!
by Morty on Saturday 20/Oct/2007, @06:00
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Yes, you are right your aRts are not totally broken, but your KDE install clearly is. The full name of Embedded Media Player spells it out, Kaboodle Component or in technical terms the Kaboodle kpart. You have the kpart working, but not the standalone player using the kpart. Don't you find theat a little odd? Sounds like you have multiple versions lying around,linking issues, broken Sycoca database, old broken .desktop files or a combination of those issues.
I don't think using Kaboodle(embedded or not) playing video will work very well, the video support in aRts newer reached it's potential. Not sure if it's even works/are enabled anymore. Try using Kaboodles video brother Codeine for that.
As for aRts usage, the programs in the kdemultimedia package uses it. Kaboodle Noatun and JuK(JuK can alsouse direct output with the akode lib). Amarok can use multiple backends, but usually defaults to Xine not aRts. All the video players(Codeine,Kaffeine, KPlayer, KMPlayer etc.) use Xine or MPlayer. One neat but not to commonly used trick is that Xine actually can use aRts as output for sound, and it solves the old problem of applications locking the sound device(I think more use of this would have lesend some of aRts historic bad reputation).
I have never actually had any major problems with aRts, either self compiled or as distribution packages all the wayfrom the KDE2 days. On this machine I'm currently using aRts 1.5.8 and KDE 3.5.8, from backports Suse 10.1.
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Re: Long live, KDE3!
by James Richard Tyrer on Monday 22/Oct/2007, @20:11
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You are using an aRts binary which was probably patched by SuSE.
So, it appears that the aRts issues have not been resolved and I will have to try going back to a patched copy. If I can find a copy of an SRPM for the SuSE binary, I will try that.
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Re: Long live, KDE3!
by Jake on Monday 29/Oct/2007, @13:22
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I'm having this same problem with OpenSUSE. Not all of my sounds work at the moment. Amarok w/gstreamer is fine, but I don't have any system sounds, even tough the "test" buttong in the kde control center module works to play a sound. Any fixes for this yet?
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Re: Long live, KDE3!
by Jean-Alexandre on Wednesday 17/Oct/2007, @01:05
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The "longer life" of the 3.5 branch is indeed an excellent news. IMHO, and although the 4.x serie is very promising, this branch is actually the most complete and most convincing alternative to proprietary solutions, for home-users and corporate users.
I want to thank you all KDE guys and girls and allow myself to stress how much KDEPIM (and the synchronization part) is a decisive piece to improve for wider adoption in corporations (with Koffice of course) !
Many thanks folks,
JA
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Re: Long live, KDE3!
by Yttrium on Wednesday 17/Oct/2007, @08:10
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That are very good news. I use KDE every single day. Thank you for work.
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Re: Long live, KDE3!
by G2g591 on Tuesday 16/Oct/2007, @15:59
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I think it unlikely that KDE 3.x will be abandoned til at earliest 4.1, when things settle down a little bit and 4 gets as solid as 3.
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