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Keynote like effect for Kpresenter
by Patcito on Monday 29/Oct/2007, @20:06
It would be cool if 3D effects could be added to KPresenter such as these:
http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/apple/mac/iwork/2007/features/iwork_features_newtransitions_20070807_r640-10cie.mov
http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/apple/mac/iwork/2007/features/iwork_features_smartbuilds_20070807_r640-10cie.mov

And we do have the technology :)
http://labs.trolltech.com/page/Graphics/Examples

If anybody has the C++ knowledge and time to work on it, please do so :)
It would really make Koffice stand out (beside all the great work that's already been done), that's the kind of stuff like Compiz/Fusion that gets people attention.
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Re: Keynote like effect for Kpresenter
by Aaron J. Seigo on Monday 29/Oct/2007, @21:20
i actually sat down (ok, i couldn't do much else. i was in an airplane over the atlantic and my laptop battery was dead...) and calculated how many hours in a year i spend twiddling with slides.

i just about puked, and i'm not one who gets airsick.

my wish for kpresenter is an app that puts the workflow of creating a presentation as the primary feature: outliner, notes, templates and selectable dynamic layouts. done right, you could get a very nice effects system on top of that with probably even less work.

but yeah, i'm pretty much ready to never manually position another item on a slide every again in my life. bleh.
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  • Re: Keynote like effect for Kpresenter
    by Ian Monroe on Monday 29/Oct/2007, @21:36
    I agree. Presentation software centers on the WYSIWYG view mostly out of habit... mostly I want to write an outline and then spend 5 minutes at the end tweaking with the look.

    Though I suppose my vote for flashy effects would be to have Beamer-like presentations without needing to know LaTeX. :)
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  • Re: Keynote like effect for Kpresenter
    by Boudewijn Rempt on Monday 29/Oct/2007, @23:52
    Added to http://wiki.koffice.org/index.php?title=JJ. It should be pretty easy to do, actually, even if KOffice 2.0 i really big on manually putting stuff in place.
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  • Re: Keynote like effect for Kpresenter
    by T on Tuesday 30/Oct/2007, @03:39
    While I agree with the advantages of content-based document creation (it's why I use LaTeX to write papers), for presentations I'd guess it would be most helpful for text-heavy presentations. Most computing presentations seem to fall in this category, but certainly there are many other fields (e.g., biology) where most of the content is graphical (figures, images, etc.). Those are areas where manual placement of material can really help to achieve things that a more rigid LaTeX-like layout engine has a hard time handling. I tried using LaTeX for my presentations for a while, but ended up fighting it more than benefiting from it. (Even the LaTeX manual, IIRC, says LaTeX is not always the best choice in such cases.)

    So, thanks for the current manual-positioning capabilities! If a more structured mode gets added, I hope that the ability to twiddle doesn't go away.

    I also use only boring transitions (so the special effects don't end up distracting people from the content of my presentation), but I fully agree that they'd add a wow factor that might impress new users, and be useful in some circumstances.

    Sadly, I still use PowerPoint under Wine, because I haven't yet found an alternative that integrates multimedia (sound & video). I don't know, but I'm hoping that this is one of the things on the slate for KPresenter 2.0. If so, I'm looking forward to it!

    To all KOffice developers: thanks for the outstanding work!
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    • Re: Keynote like effect for Kpresenter
      by jospoortvliet on Tuesday 30/Oct/2007, @05:20
      I use videos in OO.o... works reasonably well. Maybe worth a try?
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      • Re: Keynote like effect for Kpresenter
        by tuxo on Tuesday 30/Oct/2007, @07:28
        I would not call videos working reasonably well in OpenOffice (version 2.3, Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon). As far as I know, there is no possibility to start videos during presentations by clicking on them in slides. Instead, OpenOffice starts videos automatically when entering new slides. Also I don't think that it is possible to have videos looping endlessly.
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        • Re: Keynote like effect for Kpresenter
          by jospoortvliet on Tuesday 30/Oct/2007, @16:38
          Hmm, that's true. they basically work, but not reasonably well ;-)
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    • Re: Keynote like effect for Kpresenter
      by Ian Monroe on Tuesday 30/Oct/2007, @06:02
      Have you seen Beamer presentations though? They are always a higher quality then other presentations. Personally I rather dislike LaTeX, but if you write your papers with it...
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      • Re: Keynote like effect for Kpresenter
        by Aaron J. Seigo on Tuesday 30/Oct/2007, @12:29
        yes, i have even used LaTeX Beamer. the problems are this:

        - the process is still more complicated than it should be for such a thing. yes, i want point-and-click here, if only for all the others marooned on this same island of "i hate the powerpoint model".

        - the slides are too monotonic in look, and the resulting presentations are often pretty boring looking even if they can be elegant.

        - as someone noted above, they are best for text heavy presentations

        it is completely possible to provide a templating system that takes into consideration graphics and other media on slides, effects and other eye candy and general jazz in a point and click interface.

        i actually sat down and design such a system on paper once (during that same air flight ;) i just don't have the time right now to write another application (gotta finish the ones i've currently got started.. you may have heard about them)
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        • Re: Keynote like effect for Kpresenter
          by Thomas Zander on Tuesday 30/Oct/2007, @13:32
          > i actually sat down and design such a system on paper once

          Please do digitize them :)
          Just scanning (or send them to me for scanning) would do. But you can use wiki.koffice.org if you want.

          I'd love to see your views on this subject as someone that both knows design and actually eats this dogfood a lot :)
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        • Re: Keynote like effect for Kpresenter
          by Ask on Friday 02/Nov/2007, @00:59
          You might want use latex with the latest version of powerdot. You may like it.
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  • Re: Keynote like effect for Kpresenter
    by steven on Tuesday 30/Oct/2007, @17:43
    I think this is a sign that the idea communication paradigm needs to be changed. There should be a connection from the content to the presentation...

    Right now I'm being fairly conceptual but I think one should be able to write all the content go from the content to automatically generating a visual wiether it is a poster for an event [along with a distrubtion list], to a presentation [based on an academic or white paper]etc.

    Do we know how and why people use office tools? I really like the idea of a koffice workspace. It begins to introduce the idea that documents have a contextual grouping. Its a different concept to doing computer based work.

    I think microsoft is trying to touch on this with Sharepoint, Infopath, and Smarttags..not just individual tools but ways to communicate connected ideas.

    Are there any other thoughts?
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  • Re: Keynote like effect for Kpresenter
    by Louis on Tuesday 30/Oct/2007, @20:10
    Slides presentations are overrated, anyway. Effects designed by George Lucas cannot save a poor presentation. A really great presentation requires a speaker who can keep the audience interested while presenting the ideas at hand. I've seen plenty of presentations with fancy (but pointless and distracting) graphics and animations, that otherwise sucked because the speaker was just reading slides to me. If you have to show me diagrams or screenshots or some such visual aid, fine, but I can read for myself. Sadly, it seems that presentation software has become a crutch for people that otherwise suck at public speaking. (Not referring to anyone here in particular, just generalizing based on my personal experience.) Sorry for the rant. My point is simply that fancy effects should be a secondary concern.
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  • Re: Keynote like effect for Kpresenter
    by Fri13 on Thursday 01/Nov/2007, @15:52
    I hope kpresent could use semantik mindmap software somehow as preferens. It is great application when sitting on lessons and taking notes what belongs to where and even greater when you just want fast type something what is in your mind and later do somekind presentation from it...
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