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Re: Damn, still that ugly taskbar!
by Johann Ollivier-Lapeyre on Wednesday 31/Oct/2007, @08:32
"afaik they've disagreed with nuno's vision for the panel."

If we ask people (i mean users...) to choose between the nuno vision and the ugly actual one, the result should be simple and clear... So, how the disgusting current one can be keept? Who is "they"? (just to know).

Nuno Pinhero developped very innovative and fresh vision for KDE4 (panel, kick ass tabs design http://www.nuno-icons.com/images/estilo/new%20style%20tabs.png , kwin buttons, tables...) and i'm really sad to see these ideas are not here anymore... I tought at first it was just a work in progress issue, but it seems we finaly are going to have an ugly panel, and a conservative look... and not because we are missing talented artists.
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Re: Damn, still that ugly taskbar!
by André on Thursday 01/Nov/2007, @03:50
He who codes, decides. It's that simple. If you don't agree with what's being done, start coding yourself and you can the direction the project is taking.
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  • Re: Damn, still that ugly taskbar!
    by Johann Ollivier-Lapeyre on Thursday 01/Nov/2007, @15:02
    "He who codes, decides. It's that simple."

    And the artist who do the artwork must just shup ut? and the guy specialized in usability must shut up too? Just because they have to be developpers to be listened? Stupid and explain very well why many OSS projets are ugly and un-usuable like 80's softwares...

    Hopefully, KDE coders i worked with [kopete, kdegames..] doesn't have a such giant ego, and this is more the "who know and do the work, decides" rules, in each area, everyone respecting the other's work and expertise.
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    • Re: Damn, still that ugly taskbar!
      by Leo S on Friday 02/Nov/2007, @10:39
      >> And the artist who do the artwork must just shup ut? and the guy specialized in usability must shut up too? Just because they have to be developpers to be listened?

      No, but in the end it comes down to who is doing the work. It has nothing to do with not respecting non-developers, but when push comes to shove, a mockup is no use to end users. It requires a developer to put in a hell of a lot of time to implement that mockup (don't get me started on how mockups always cherry pick their displayed content to make it look good).

      Mockups are great, and there are a ton of them, but implementation is much harder, and without implementation there is nothing.
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    • Re: Damn, still that ugly taskbar!
      by Grósz Dániel on Friday 02/Nov/2007, @12:30
      "Stupid and explain very well why many OSS projets are ugly and un-usuable like 80's software"

      But does not explain why is _every_ X window manager I have ever tried more usable than Windows GUI. :-)
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