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Re: Disgruntlements
by T. J. Brumfield on Tuesday 06/Nov/2007, @15:58
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Arch certainly isn't vanilla KDE. They openly advertise how much they've altered their KDE.
However, Arch and SuSe both offer great KDE experiences. I do recommend them over Kubuntu, where KDE certainly feels second-citizen.
http://kdemod.ath.cx/
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Re: Disgruntlements
by Luke on Wednesday 07/Nov/2007, @06:28
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Standard KDE in Arch is as vanilla as it gets (save for a custom default wallpaper and perhaps splash). KDEmod is an alternate KDE installation for Arch users who fancy splitted packages and whatnot. It's all about choice, really.
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Re: Disgruntlements
by Jan on Wednesday 07/Nov/2007, @06:34
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Archs standard KDE is completely vanilla, they just added a Wallpaper and a new splashscreen. The only patches applied are bugfixes, thats the philosophy of K.I.S.S. :-)
KDEmod (which is an _unofficial_ Arch _community_ project) has, in contrast, the most patches/extra stuff applied that you will ever see in a KDE distro. I know that, because i am one of the Devs/Packagers :-) We also provide a highly customized theme and are writing new patches on our own etc but, and thats the point, you can remove the theme and disable all extra stuff to get a, lets say, 99% vanilla KDE but with splitted packages...
However, the underlying base (=the distro) is another point, and i can say about me that i will never switch back to another distro - Arch is just perfect in all terms... Its clean and simple, always up to date and very customizable, so you get exactly the system you want without fiddling around for ages... And the biggest point for me is: You can contribute very easily. Making packages is a breeze (hey, we are only 2 people who did a complete splitted KDE in almost no time :-), just try to do that on another distro) and you can share them easily through Archs AUR.
I can just suggest everyone who has some understanding of Linux and dont fears the terminal to try Arch, you will not be disappointed :-) And doing some stuff in a terminal does not mean that it doesnt "just work"...
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Re: Disgruntlements
by T. J. Brumfield on Wednesday 07/Nov/2007, @18:49
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Having tried KDEmod via Sabayon, I must say I'm impressed.
I wonder how many of the KDEmod improvements will get ported as patches to KDE 4?
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Re: Disgruntlements
by Jan on Thursday 08/Nov/2007, @03:51
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Sabayon? Well, unless you fetched our packages and extracted them manually, you cant have used it on Sabayon :-)
Maybe Sabayon uses the splitted Gentoo KDE packages and you just mixed it up. KDEmod shares some stuff with them in terms of patches (we started with their KIP patchset), but you cant really compare these two... The Gentoo people have splitted KDE completely (every lib etc) where we follow another path and only split things where its useful - we dont split kdebase and kdelibs for example, as its not necessary in our opinion...
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Re: Disgruntlements
by Fri13 on Tuesday 06/Nov/2007, @16:41
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I suggest to use Mandriva, it has get good reputation from KDE devels because Mandriva devels work together with KDE devels. And Mandriva dont add any patch to KDE what isn't on KDE itself. (this i have understand from KDE devels, and that there is one another distro too what use mainstream KDE what Arch and Kubuntu does not).
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Re: Disgruntlements
by Richard on Saturday 10/Nov/2007, @14:32
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to be honest, I get bored of these threads where people suggest others try another distro. People are using the distro of their choice.
I get utterly tired of people who go from distro site to distro site disrespecting that distro and promoting the one they use. It really has to be the ugliest part about linux. And I would go even further as say that it most likely puts some people off trying linux because of the very real hostility that some users have towards other distro's. Don't believe me, go read some of news.opensuse.org, there is always at least one tosser that goes in, disrespects the distro and uses the site to promote the one they use
To those in the linux community that do that, grow the hell up and stop being a bunch of idiotic trolls. You are the dark ugly side of linux.
I don't use ubuntu products, I have the distro I like, just as many ubuntu people use the distro they like, so if you don't like the distro talked about take a running jump and leave your negative, and try this distro comments in your mind where they belong, not in the linux community making newbies wonder what a bunch of hostile people you are.
I try to convince people to try linux, I even give out the opensuse live cd, and suggest they try all distro's before they settle on one, and it is really a pain in the royal ass when they turn down moving to linux because they go to distro pages, go to KDE and see people constantly dissing distro's and suggesting they try another.
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Re: Disgruntlements
by MrGrim on Sunday 11/Nov/2007, @16:23
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While I understand what you are coming from, please realize the suggestions in the context of the thread. The parent post that began this thread was voicing his dissatisfaction with kubuntu, and what has happened so far is a civilized thread discussing other KDE distros and theirs pros and cons. There's no flaming, no religious wars, and no bad attitudes here.
I have found the entire thread so far to be quite educational as the reason I am even reading this news article is I am looking to try a new kde based distro as my main system. There's a reply saying "try mandriva, I hear it's pretty good." There's a reply saying "beware of arch, they also heavily modify their KDE", and a counter by an arch dev telling how to get an unmodified KDE if you want it.
This thread has been informative and well mannered. Please save your distaste for the posts that deserve it, and I know precisely what you are talking about. It usually comes in the form of a person asking about a specific feature of a specific distro and some jackass replying with "X distro sucks! Use Y distro!"
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