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Thanks for resisting peer pressure and waiting
by Max on Saturday 01/Dec/2007, @13:31
Thanks for waiting with the release. I prefer a stable KDE, over a rushed one. "Gut Ding braucht (wirklich) Weile" - Colloquial German for "Good things take time"
If I want rushed incomplete software I'll just stick with Micro$oft products. -That was a low blow :D

Seriously though. Please resist peer pressure and make it stable. The Google release party isn't till January anyways. :p This way it's more likely that KDE 4.x will make it to Kubuntu 8.04.

Also please make sure that KDE plays nicely with "eye candy" apps like Compiz fusion, etc. This will be the future in years to come, so if it works nice now and is future proof, there will be less struggles later..

Please make sure that the "desktop paradigm" is innovated further. Don't be afraid to be a step ahead of the competition, in the end, that's what makes open source great.
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Re: Thanks for resisting peer pressure and waiting
by Kevin Kofler on Saturday 01/Dec/2007, @14:07
Compiz-fusion is not the future...

* Compiz and Beryl are the past.
* Compiz-fusion is the present.
* KWin >= 4.0 with builtin support for compositing and effect plugins is the future.
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  • Re: Thanks for resisting peer pressure and waiting
    by T. J. Brumfield on Saturday 01/Dec/2007, @20:20
    Yes, but we're not at the future yet. With the bugs and speed issues of Kwin at the moment, I think many will be using compiz-fusion at launch.

    I still think they should have worked to incorporate existing compiz-fusion core into Kwin, and allowed Kwin to just use compiz-fusion plugins.
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    • Re: Thanks for resisting peer pressure and waiting
      by Paul Eggleton on Saturday 01/Dec/2007, @20:47
      If you watch the talks given the last two years at Akademy by Lubos Lunak, he explains why this was not done.
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      • Re: Thanks for resisting peer pressure and waiting
        by T. J. Brumfield on Saturday 01/Dec/2007, @22:47
        Could someone please sum up these statements?

        Living in the US, I can't make it out to Akademy.
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        • Re: Thanks for resisting peer pressure and waiting
          by Paul Eggleton on Saturday 01/Dec/2007, @23:57
          Neither can I, but you can do what I do, which is to watch the videos recorded at the conferences:

          http://home.kde.org/~akademy06/videos/
          http://conference2007.kde.org/conference/programme.php

          (some of them have some encoding problems, you just have to put up with the frame freezing)
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        • Re: Thanks for resisting peer pressure and waiting
          by Luca Beltrame on Sunday 02/Dec/2007, @00:06
          Basically Beryl/Compiz Fusion just exposes its internals for plugin writers (instead of having a good API), therefore re-using its plugins it's not possible.
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        • Re: Thanks for resisting peer pressure and waiting
          by Diederik van der Boor on Monday 03/Dec/2007, @00:12
          Some reasons not to use Beryl/Compiz:
          * The "API" for plugins was using internals directly. So it's not usable outside Beryl.
          * Effects happen to be a small portion of the window manager code. (like 10% for the total code)
          * Window management is quite a black art. It was better to add effects then to throw all good code away.,
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          • Re: Thanks for resisting peer pressure and waiting
            by T. J. Brumfield on Monday 03/Dec/2007, @12:23
            I didn't suggest that you throw out Kwin. I suggested you include the 10% of effects code from Compiz-fusion into Kwin, and try to stabilize a plugin API that both Compiz-fusion and KDE can use.
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            • Re: Thanks for resisting peer pressure and waiting
              by Anon on Monday 03/Dec/2007, @12:28
              Frankly, re-implementing the effects would be far easier than a) persuading the Compiz Fusion guys to re-architect everything so that they have a neutral API and port all their plug-ins to it just so KDE can use them and b) actually doing the changes once you've somehow managed to persuade them and c) porting KWin and all its effects to the new API.
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  • Re: Thanks for resisting peer pressure and waiting
    by Nobbe on Sunday 02/Dec/2007, @18:19
    I read here on the dot (I believe) some time ago that kwin implemented compiz like functionality in a trivial amount of code. Compiz is something like research and kwin is something like realistic implementation of said research. Compiz is huge and buggy whereas kwin has all the kinks worked out, is lean, and is fast. This is mainly because it has been around for over a decade (right?). Last I checked the devs did make sure it works with 4.0 anyway ;) Guess that goes along with the whole "future proofing" idea as well.
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Re: Thanks for resisting peer pressure and waiting
by Level 1 on Saturday 01/Dec/2007, @14:13
I don't think the kde devs have as a high priority making kde work with compiz. KDE 4 will have its own composite manager that we hope will be competitive with compiz. Furthermore, compiz is very gnome centric and doesn't play very well with kde. Finally, the responsibility is on the maintainers of compiz to make it work well with kde, not the other way around.
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Ditto
by Jim on Sunday 02/Dec/2007, @07:03
I know people are eager to get their hands on "KDE 4.0", but if you don't care about stability then you can use betas (which will be exactly the same code as what the "KDE 4.0" was going to be, regardless of what it is named), and if you do care about stability, then you should welcome this delay.

I think this delay is a big positive step for the KDE project and I'm very glad they did it.
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Re: Thanks for resisting peer pressure and waiting
by Nathan on Sunday 02/Dec/2007, @09:52
" If I want rushed incomplete software I'll just stick with Micro$oft products. -That was a low blow :D "

or if you want to be a permanent beta tester using sub quality software stick with open source software.
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  • Re: Thanks for resisting peer pressure and waiting
    by André on Monday 03/Dec/2007, @01:29
    And if you want to be a troll, keep hanging around and post this kind of useless comments.
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    • Re: Thanks for resisting peer pressure and waiting
      by Ouch on Tuesday 04/Dec/2007, @02:20
      André, the truth hurts doesn't it?
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