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Re: software libre?
by ac on Wednesday 05/Dec/2007, @14:59
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That's free software (as in freedom). As far as I know it is french and it is used sometimes because the English word free is ambiguous(free as in free beer and free as in freedom).
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Re: software libre?
by attendant on Wednesday 05/Dec/2007, @17:24
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"Software libre" is a Spanish phrase not French. You're right on the meaning of it though.
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Re: software libre?
by Anne Onymous on Thursday 06/Dec/2007, @00:26
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You're certainly right but "libre" is also used in french and, AFAIK, got the same meaning as the spanish "libre". Only the pronounciation differs :).
In french we rather say "logiciel libre" though.
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Re: software libre?
by reihal on Thursday 06/Dec/2007, @07:09
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excuse me, but what is logiciel?
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Re: software libre?
by Richard Dale on Thursday 06/Dec/2007, @08:33
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I think 'Software Libre' is a really good name for what the KDE community produces. If we use the term 'Open Source' it makes it much easier for big business companies, such as Microsoft, to coopt the term and invent other names like 'Shared Source', which aim to blur the difference between communities like KDE, and aggressive businesses which are only in it for profit. Microsoft could never describe themselves as 'Free Software' and so we can differentiate ourselves from them by using terms like 'Free Software' or 'Software Libre' - if we describe ourselves as 'Open Source' it would make it harder to make that distinction.
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Re: software libre?
by matt on Thursday 06/Dec/2007, @22:56
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umm isn't internet explorer free?
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Re: software libre?
by jospoortvliet on Friday 07/Dec/2007, @03:11
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well, yes, free as in free beer, but not free as in free speech... It can be downloaded without paying any monetary costs, but you DO pay in terms of surrendering your freedom to MS.
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Re: software libre?
by Rasmus Larsen on Friday 07/Dec/2007, @13:51
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Not true, an Internet Explorer license is tied to a Windows License, as such it is not free, in either sense.
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Re: software libre?
by she on Sunday 09/Dec/2007, @07:03
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Propaganda aside, this is not true.
The MS licenses are almost ALWAYS only available for paying people.
So in fact, you pay to get screwed and became slave to the software of a huge company with different interests than yours and a tradition of spending more money to their CEOs and buy off competition, than to improve their products.
Internet Explorer is NOT free anywhere, not even a free beer (once you drink the beer, you kinda "own" it until you digested it... you can NEVER do anything similar with IE!)
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Re: software libre?
by Rob on Thursday 06/Dec/2007, @15:00
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The English word free is not ambiguous; it unambiguously means without. It should be qualified in order to create a meaningful phrase, e.g. germ-free, free of charge, free of shackles. Using it unqualified is foolish; it's surprising that RMS made such a basic mistake.
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Re: software libre?
by Miniluv on Thursday 06/Dec/2007, @16:50
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Doublepluscorrect. Please note that this is the only permissible use of the word "free" according to the Newspeak Dictionary.
Thank you,
Your friendly neighborhood thought officer.
War is peace - Freedom is slavery - Ignorance is strength.
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Re: software libre?
by KBX on Thursday 06/Dec/2007, @19:52
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"I'm a free man"
"If you buy that package you can take this one for free"
Are you saying both of these are wrong uses of free?
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Re: software libre?
by Hank Miller on Thursday 06/Dec/2007, @10:05
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Others have described the meaning well, but to go into more detail of why we use libre and not free: In English the word "free" has two different meanings. The first is free as in free beer. The second is free as in free speech. In Spanish they use Gratis for the first, and libre for the second.
There is a lot of software that costs nothing, but isn't free in other senses.
Micorsoft's Internet Explorer is one example of this.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratis_versus_Libre
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Re: software libre?
by Patcito on Friday 07/Dec/2007, @05:09
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Actually libre can mean gratis in Spanish too.
Exemple: entrada libre / free entrance
it's just less comman than in English.
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