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Re: kicker edges
by Dan on Tuesday 11/Dec/2007, @21:44
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Queue head exploding then.
The panel is still in really sorry state at this point--I'm fairly sure its going to be one of the bigger disappointments of 4.0, it should be much better for 4.1 however.
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Re: kicker edges
by Luis on Tuesday 11/Dec/2007, @22:42
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Ehm, Aaron said it can cover all...
It's just showing round borders as far as I remember, even more important, it's 100% themeable.
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Re: kicker edges
by Bobby on Wednesday 12/Dec/2007, @01:41
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Uhe most disappointed thing about it is that it can't be configured. I am getting no response when I click on it with my right mouse button. Not typical for KDE.
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Re: kicker edges
by Soap on Wednesday 12/Dec/2007, @10:48
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Apparently much of the configuration is there; it's even got some stuff kicker is missing, but maybe not everything kicker had. Unforunately, there's no gui to configure it yet.
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Re: kicker edges
by Aaron J. Seigo on Wednesday 12/Dec/2007, @18:41
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that's because i'm trying to piss you off. and i do mean you. specifically, you, "Bobby". i hope that makes you feel special.
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Re: kicker edges
by Antoine Chavasse on Wednesday 12/Dec/2007, @05:06
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It's not the final plasma theme (or maybe just not the final panel theme, I don't remember what has been said about it)
Basically they just need (and from what I understand, they will) replace the SVG used for the background and border.
I also believe that they will make it easily user-configurable in the future but maybe not in 4.0.
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Re: kicker edges
by Peter V on Monday 17/Dec/2007, @08:43
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i think its strange that kde4 is released with the notion that basicly one of the most important aspects of the desktop (kicker) will suck.
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Re: kicker edges
by Henry S. on Tuesday 11/Dec/2007, @22:16
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I threw the mouse to the bottom edge of my system, and ended up with a shattered mouse and cracked monitor. Maybe we should stop throwing mice...mouses.
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Re: kicker edges
by Another PhD student on Wednesday 12/Dec/2007, @00:51
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What a pain this kicker is... I use kde4live image, and it is very slow to use. It's making me go crazy. It also uses like 1/4th of a high-res monitor. Its 50pixel-wide edges are about the size of the old panel.
All the other stuff is cool, but this is such a show-stopper. Give me back the old panel (with all of its errors) and I will switch to 4.0 as soon as it arrives.
Cheers,
Mate
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Re: kicker edges
by Michael on Wednesday 12/Dec/2007, @02:44
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I second that request! I want to have the kicker looks like the old KDE 3 one! Same size (small!), changable, full row (so start is in the bottom left corner and you don't have to search for it with the mouse).
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Re: kicker edges
by kiwiki4e on Wednesday 12/Dec/2007, @03:49
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I third this! On my Laptop I've only a 1280x800 screen resolution and the Panel wastes a lot of space! But Aaron already mentioned that the Kicker Applet is higly configurable. The question is: Is it highly configurable for Applet Designers or also for the normal user with a neat configuration dialog?
But anyway: Plasma rocks!!
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Re: kicker edges
by Dan on Wednesday 12/Dec/2007, @06:25
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Don't you think that two weeks before the final release of kde4.0 is a bit past the point where "give it some time" is valid?
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Re: kicker edges
by Emil Sedgh on Wednesday 12/Dec/2007, @10:53
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ehm
the support for resising, multiple panel, etc is there, it just needs UI to do it.
also, please do not forget that KDE 4.0.0 is just, just the begining.
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Re: kicker edges
by D Kite on Wednesday 12/Dec/2007, @15:56
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Why so?
A release is simply a snapshot in development time. This is the state of KDE4 as it is right now.
Derek
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Re: kicker edges
by Aaron J. Seigo on Wednesday 12/Dec/2007, @18:43
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> What a pain this kicker is
it's not kicker.
> Give me back the old panel (with all of its errors) and
> I will switch to 4.0 as soon as it arrives.
here's how to do it:
1) kquitapp plasma
2) open $KDEHOME/share/config/plasma-appletsrc
3) look for a [Containments] group (probably [1]) that has plugin=panel
4) delete that group
5) save the file
6) start plasma
7) start kicker.
happy?
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Re: kicker edges
by Another PhD student on Thursday 13/Dec/2007, @00:18
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Dear Aaron,
First off, thanks for the reply. Secondly, please do not get upset: the plasma kickoff-replacement is probably good for many people, simply, it is not made for me (or some other geek-minded people). As for the solution for starting the old kicker, it's a nice one - I would be really happy to have it as an option in system settings so that I(and many others) don't need use a text editor to do it.
Cheers,
Mate
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Re: kicker edges
by JackieBrown on Saturday 15/Dec/2007, @13:09
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Any geek-minded person would not mind opening a text editor to change a config option
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Re: kicker edges
by mike on Sunday 16/Dec/2007, @09:18
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"Any" I suppose you've talked to all geek-minded people to allow you to throw a blanket statement out there. Careful when you say 'any', 'every', 'all', etc..
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Relax guys! It'll be OK.
by kwilliam on Wednesday 12/Dec/2007, @13:31
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All you guys, relax! You obviously haven't been following Segio's blog.
The panel code is much more powerful and configurable than the old Kicker code. It's just being written at the last minute, so Segio hasn't gotten any configuration dialogs made yet. When he's got the panel mostly working, it'll only take a day or two at most for him to write the config dialogs. The current theme is also not the final one; he is just reusing the one used by the applets for testing purposes. I am confident that in a month, the Plasma Panel will have all the functionality and configurability that Kicker did, plus more.
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Re: Relax guys! It'll be OK.
by KSU on Friday 14/Dec/2007, @20:25
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Only xy days until the dream becomes a nightmare. :-D
I really doubt that Plasma can be fixed in less than 30 days.
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Re: kicker edges
by Aaron J. Seigo on Wednesday 12/Dec/2007, @18:45
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> Can someone confirm whether this can be changed?
for the Nth *frigging* time: yes.
i honestly feel like most of you don't deserve my attention since you apparently don't pay attention when i offer it.
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Re: kicker edges
by foo on Wednesday 12/Dec/2007, @23:00
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Sorry mate. I haven't had a chance to look at KDE4 much, although I did try a livecd of it some time back, and I don't remember the 'kicker' looking like it did in the screenshot. I appreciate your work, don't get me wrong.
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Re: kicker edges
by Fred on Thursday 13/Dec/2007, @02:27
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Aaron,
I symphathize with you're, eh, disapointment, on the continuing critizism on the panel. I know it will change, you know it will change, but it seems lot's of people still don't. I think the reason behind this is that info on development, info on roadmap, info on planning, info on desing decesion, etc are very scattered. Some is on the dot, some is in blogs (a lot in yours :-) some in the mailing lists, some on IRC, etc. Easy to miss stuff. I like to follow all this, so i'm pretty infromed, but not all of us are. Maybe it would be a good idea to channel al this stuff thru one medium and one medium only. All other stuff can than be dismissed as work in progress/developers own current default.
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Re: kicker edges
by Bobby on Thursday 13/Dec/2007, @05:13
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Don't be angry Aaron. I don't think that anyone here doubt yours and the team's skill but as you know it's human nature to be impatient ;)
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