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Re: KDE4
by ne... on Sunday 06/Jan/2008, @11:06
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| Well, for starters this is will be the first major KDE release that I have not compiled from source. Suse has spoilt me (-: I love all that black. I wish I could have more. The only two things I miss now are a weather applet/plasmoid and the applications' real name on the KDE 3 style menu. I hate the generic naming of apps. I spent a lot of time learning what the different applications were to now have to switch to generic names like 'document viewer' and 'image viewer'. Call them by their given names - Okular! Gwenview! Be proud! You deserve it. Suffice to I now use KDE4 exclusively on Suse. It is just a matter of time and space till I uninstall KDE3. Thanks KDE devs! /rant |
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Re: KDE4
by Grósz Dániel on Sunday 06/Jan/2008, @12:18
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Why should a beginner know what Okular or Gwenview is if there is no description in the menu?
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Re: KDE4
by Ben Morris on Sunday 06/Jan/2008, @16:36
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Why would a beginner open those apps?
Surely it would just, for example, click on a PDF file in their file manager and, thanks to sensible default actions, Okular would magically appear?
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Re: KDE4
by Richard on Sunday 06/Jan/2008, @19:32
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beginners always open apps to see what they are and learn. Seems to me the new approach is to dumb the system down.
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Re: KDE4
by emu on Monday 07/Jan/2008, @01:41
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Just imagine a beginner looking for Firefox. Why would anyone click on something like "Webbrowser" when they're looking for Firefox? ;) After all, who would expect just generic names? Nobody who has not used KDE before.
Even beginners expect to find certain programs and look for them by name.
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Re: KDE4
by Syzar on Monday 07/Jan/2008, @03:24
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IMO default should be description and app name. For example: Firefox (Webbrowser) or Amarok (Music Player). Of course option should exist to change it to show only app name.
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Re: KDE4
by Glen Anthony Kirkup on Monday 07/Jan/2008, @07:01
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I can't think of a better way to introduce new users, which is one of the most important things KDE has to do to grow further.
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Re: KDE4
by Sebastian Sauer on Wednesday 09/Jan/2008, @14:24
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http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155362
Even more feedback is welcome :)
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Re: KDE4
by reihal on Monday 07/Jan/2008, @10:43
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"description and app name"
Goes without saying, why should they do it any other way?
Usability? I spit on "usability"!
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Re: KDE4
by Sebastian Sauer on Tuesday 08/Jan/2008, @07:55
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"usability" or "decide how others should work" was clearly not the reason for the decision to go with the generic aka describing name. It was more the question what may work well and if users will accept it. There where multiple points I/we did look at;
1) What needs to be really configurable and what doesn't. Goal here is/was to don't provide a checkbox for every single combination of solutions by picking a default and look if that's enough. Related to the name vs. description vs. description (name) vs. name (description) case; seems there is just no easy solution for this :-/
2) The traditional KDE3 style menu does even contain already a hack to e.g. display "OpenOffice.org Presentation" (the name) rather then "Presentation" (the description). One of the problems here was, that the generic name is used different between e.g. KDE and Gnome. While we define only the application name, so e.g. "kspread" as name and "Spreadsheet" as description, others prefer do use the generic name as appname+description field, e.g. "Gnumeric Spreadsheet" as generic name and "Spreadsheet" as description. That makes it rather difficult to just choose e.g. "description (name)" without looking somehow broken :-/
So, all in all: something that can be made better with an idea how to make it better :)
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Re: KDE4
by reihal on Wednesday 09/Jan/2008, @03:18
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Eh, please, this is KDE not gnome.
You are obviously entangled in some heated discussion behind the scenes
which I don't want to know about.
Description;name or name;description is the only variations that makes sense.
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Re: KDE4
by Sebastian Sauer on Wednesday 09/Jan/2008, @07:53
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> You are obviously entangled in some heated discussion behind the scenes which I don't want to know about.
Oh, you should know about them cause one of the goals of an open project is also to be transparent on such things what I tried to achieve by explaining the way that was leading to the result.
But beside transparency participation is another great thing an open project is able to provide. E.g. with your reply you already did participate since that's feedback and without such kind of feedback it would be rather difficult to know what ppl expect and how things should be solved.
> Description;name or name;description is the only variations that makes sense.
and that's now a decision you made behind the scenes cause there may ppl who may not agree there. Guess that's the "problem" about beeing human with an own idea how things should be. What helps most here is btw earlier participation and talks.
In the menu-case such kind of feedback was just missing and that's why it is how it is now. But since we saw within that thread already very good feedback, it's now easier to take them into account.
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Re: KDE4
by randomguy3 on Sunday 06/Jan/2008, @12:49
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There is, in fact, a weather plasmoid. The data engine is installed by default, and the widget part is at http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/plasma/applets/weather/ (you may need to run cmake in the playground/base/plasma directory for the build to work).
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Re: KDE4
by ne... on Sunday 06/Jan/2008, @13:32
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Thanks, I was hoping Suse would spoil me rotten and have a rpm for me. I might head back to compiling soon tho.
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Re: KDE4
by Sutoka on Sunday 06/Jan/2008, @14:53
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There is a playground package and it includes the weather applet.
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Re: KDE4
by Shawn Starr on Sunday 06/Jan/2008, @21:06
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Yeah, I couldn't get the weather plasmoid in time for extragear. It's in the playground for the time being.
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Re: KDE4
by eMPee584 on Monday 07/Jan/2008, @15:23
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> I love all that black. I wish I could have more.
hint: POWER button. Hit it.
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