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Re: KDE4
by emu on Monday 07/Jan/2008, @01:41
Just imagine a beginner looking for Firefox. Why would anyone click on something like "Webbrowser" when they're looking for Firefox? ;) After all, who would expect just generic names? Nobody who has not used KDE before.

Even beginners expect to find certain programs and look for them by name.
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Re: KDE4
by Syzar on Monday 07/Jan/2008, @03:24
IMO default should be description and app name. For example: Firefox (Webbrowser) or Amarok (Music Player). Of course option should exist to change it to show only app name.
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  • Re: KDE4
    by Richard Van Den Boom on Monday 07/Jan/2008, @03:43
    I second that
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  • Re: KDE4
    by reihal on Monday 07/Jan/2008, @10:43
    "description and app name"

    Goes without saying, why should they do it any other way?
    Usability? I spit on "usability"!
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    • Re: KDE4
      by Sebastian Sauer on Tuesday 08/Jan/2008, @07:55
      "usability" or "decide how others should work" was clearly not the reason for the decision to go with the generic aka describing name. It was more the question what may work well and if users will accept it. There where multiple points I/we did look at;
      1) What needs to be really configurable and what doesn't. Goal here is/was to don't provide a checkbox for every single combination of solutions by picking a default and look if that's enough. Related to the name vs. description vs. description (name) vs. name (description) case; seems there is just no easy solution for this :-/
      2) The traditional KDE3 style menu does even contain already a hack to e.g. display "OpenOffice.org Presentation" (the name) rather then "Presentation" (the description). One of the problems here was, that the generic name is used different between e.g. KDE and Gnome. While we define only the application name, so e.g. "kspread" as name and "Spreadsheet" as description, others prefer do use the generic name as appname+description field, e.g. "Gnumeric Spreadsheet" as generic name and "Spreadsheet" as description. That makes it rather difficult to just choose e.g. "description (name)" without looking somehow broken :-/

      So, all in all: something that can be made better with an idea how to make it better :)
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      • Re: KDE4
        by reihal on Wednesday 09/Jan/2008, @03:18
        Eh, please, this is KDE not gnome.
        You are obviously entangled in some heated discussion behind the scenes
        which I don't want to know about.
        Description;name or name;description is the only variations that makes sense.
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        • Re: KDE4
          by Sebastian Sauer on Wednesday 09/Jan/2008, @07:53
          > You are obviously entangled in some heated discussion behind the scenes which I don't want to know about.

          Oh, you should know about them cause one of the goals of an open project is also to be transparent on such things what I tried to achieve by explaining the way that was leading to the result.
          But beside transparency participation is another great thing an open project is able to provide. E.g. with your reply you already did participate since that's feedback and without such kind of feedback it would be rather difficult to know what ppl expect and how things should be solved.

          > Description;name or name;description is the only variations that makes sense.

          and that's now a decision you made behind the scenes cause there may ppl who may not agree there. Guess that's the "problem" about beeing human with an own idea how things should be. What helps most here is btw earlier participation and talks.
          In the menu-case such kind of feedback was just missing and that's why it is how it is now. But since we saw within that thread already very good feedback, it's now easier to take them into account.
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Re: KDE4
by Grósz Dániel on Monday 07/Jan/2008, @09:11
KDE 4 Kickoff does list app names also.
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