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Re: Reduction of features
by Aaron J. Seigo on Sunday 06/Jan/2008, @16:52
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each of the examples you give are all for the same reason: they are new bits of code. the file dialog views are new (based on the m/v stuff in qt4, shared with konq & dolphin to boot); this new view will certainly increase in feature capacity over time.
gwenview was also very much a rewrite. the kde3 ui was tossed out to take a new run at how to present the same kinds of functionality but with a much nicer approach.
the down side to doing this is that you lose some features with the old code.
you'll find that apps/components that didn't need to do this usually have *more* features than they did in kde3. okular is a good example of that (it was kpdf; renamed because it's more than pdf's now). then there are the completely new apps, like marble.
so we're not removing features at all. a lot of features have actually been added, and where there are feature regressions due to rewritten or refactored code those will catch up (and likely surpass) their kde3 counterparts with time.
it would have been awesome if we could have magically kept every feature of every app and component, but these were prices we paid for being able to go further in the future.
oh, as for talking about kwin effects not being there yet, those are also brand new in kde. see, more features! ;) |
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Re: Reduction of features
by Michael on Sunday 06/Jan/2008, @17:23
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So. I just did a LOT of reading. I read your posts, your blog, etc etc. It all now becomes finally(!) much clearer to me how to make sense of this all. Thanks for patiently explaining all this to me and all the KDE end-users. Not very common really in open source software to get such detailed answers.
The conclusions I've drawn for KDE end-users right now:
1) If you happily use KDE 3.5 right now as an end-user for day-to-day work and wouldnt like to miss out on features and customizability, stay right now with KDE 3.5. It isnt even a "bad" thing to do, but expected by the developers and perfectly OK. It's not a commercial product, where everyone expects you to drop the old stuff no matter what and shell out all your money for the new and shiny version.
2) If you are interested in taking a glimpse at the future of the KDE desktop, install KDE 4.0.0 in parallel or use KDE 3.5 with new apps or KDE 4.0 with old apps.
3) KDE 4.0.0 has lots of under-the-hood changes right now that make it much easier for developers to implement new features. So we can expect a gradual shift and each user can decide individually when KDE 4.x.y is good enough to switch. Again, this is not due to KDE 4.0.0 somehow not being ready right now, but the expected "behavior" of an Open Source product in contrast to a commercial product.
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Re: Reduction of features
by Nikolaj Hald Nielsen on Monday 07/Jan/2008, @04:57
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Nice. That is actually, in my opinion, a very clear and concise summary of how the end user should look at KDE 4.0.0.
This is the foundation, usable for some, lacking for others. Migration will happen slowly, as each user or distribution decides that it has reached sufficient maturity. :-)
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Re: Reduction of features
by Martin Fitzpatrick on Monday 07/Jan/2008, @13:51
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Put this in the release notes : )
I've been in two minds about this release being 'premature' from first trying the RCs, but this just sold it to me: Releasing is totally the right thing to do.
Thanks Michael
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