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Re: Dramatic vision of reinventing the desktop
by T. J. Brumfield on Monday 07/Jan/2008, @16:41
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I do, and I've seen him say several times that icons in a Desktop folder is a broken concept, though I'm not sure why. He writes about hating the old Kicker and desktop, and how Plasma is meant to allow great flexibility, but I haven't read how we're going to reinvent the desktop.
"This, then, is the goal and mandate of Plasma: to take the desktop as we know it and make it relevant again. Breathtaking beauty, workflow driven design and fresh ideas are key ingredients and this web site is your portal onto its birth."
Where is the workflow driven design and fresh ideas?
At the moment, we just have an easier means to write widgets. If widgets are the end-all-be-all of Plasma, I'll count myself extremely disappointed. We've had widgets since Windows 95, and they've never revolutionized anything.
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Re: Dramatic vision of reinventing the desktop
by jos poortvliet on Tuesday 08/Jan/2008, @08:38
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Well, the point is that these widgets can do pretty much anything. Very unlike traditional widgets for the desktop. Now we just need to figure out what out of 'everything' it is we need ;-)
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Re: Dramatic vision of reinventing the desktop
by Aaron J. Seigo on Tuesday 08/Jan/2008, @15:13
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before i could write the new workflow components, i needed a framework capable of supporting what i needed.
since i planned on replacing the desktop/panels, i needed a rewritten desktop/panels app on top of that framework.
when we replaced the desktop/panels, people wanted every feature they are used to from traditional desktops.
meanwhile we ran in bugs in x, bugs in drivers in x, bugs in Qt, missing or (for plasma) unformed features in Qt and kwin .. hell, even issues in gtk+.
all this took time to cook. not to mention everything else i end up doing during the day/night. so 4.0 arrived.
in the meantime, many of the the ideas that i talked about publicly a lot have appeared in other environments since. a little depressing ;) i don't think that people listen to me and then run off to implement features in macos, windows, etc.. or anything (i'm not quite that megalomaniacal ;). but i do think that when one person in an industry starts thinking openly about things, then other people near them do as well, and then the next person and the next person and ... ideas ripple and pop up here and there like particles tunnelling about via quantum mechanics. =)
the ideas i haven't really discussed much haven't appeared anywhere mainstream that i've noticed (yet). so just to avoid jinxing myself even more, i'm keeping a bit more quiet about things until the code is there.
i've also spent more time trying to get deserved attention for the fine work of others in kde4. it's not just all about plasma, you know ;)
and i will admit, another motivation for being quiet is that many times when i i would talk about some sort of feature people would shout "vapour! vapour! you and your vapour suck!" which is a bit annoying to deal with while your writing the code to implement those features. even i have limits to how much negative feedback i can receive in one time span. so .. i grow quiet.
anyways.. i'm feeling good and energetic, 4.0 is out, we can barrel forward with 4.1 ... fun times.
as for why ~/Desktop is a bad, stupid and limiting idea ... i'll blog about that.
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