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Re: Impressions
by Iuri Fiedoruk on Saturday 12/Jan/2008, @09:18

My personal impressions:

BAD first:
- Some apps like ktorrent and dolphin are slower than it's KDE3 counterparts.
- Plasma.. is still like a baby, it does have potential, but right now it just eat and produces some bad-smelling material ;) Not being able to drag and drop a plasmoid from desktop to taskbar is bad.
- Oxygen style needs more work. Much of criticism (fair ones in my opinion) that was made about it was not fixed. Having the same color for window title for focused and non-focused windows is horrible, no matter what oxygen team says.
- Still immature, BUT it is way, way better than the release candidates, so 4.0.1 should be much better. Let's hope it dosen't take more than 2 months to it arrive.

GOOD ones:
- splash and logout screens are wonderful. It look very professional and in my opinion should serve as an example to other areas to follow.
- Seems much more simpler than 3.X, this will probally be a good thing for new users once things mature enought for them being able to use it without much bugs and not-yet-done parts.
- Uses qt4. Currently I belive qt is much superior than KDE (for 2.0 and 3.0 I tought the inverse), so KDE have to catch this quality in the code.

Overall not impressive, but I'm betting KDE 4.1 will be.
I think this first release should be called KDE 3.9.

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Re: Impressions
by Morty on Saturday 12/Jan/2008, @15:21

>Not being able to drag and drop a plasmoid from desktop to taskbar is bad.

Funny thing, something like this was never possible with the old Kicker(You could drag icon/links, but not applets etc).

And as far as i know, that kind of functionality are not avaliable in any other desktop either. But Plasma will eventually make it possible.

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Re: Impressions
by Sebastian on Monday 14/Jan/2008, @01:08

No, you are wrong - he just used some misleading phrases:

In KDE3.5,
(1) it is possible to drag a desktop object to the kicker panel.
(2) it is possible to frag a desktop object to the pager (kpager2) to be opened there.
(3) it is possible to drag a taskbar item to the desktop (then the corresponding link/URL/process name will be saved)

KDE3.5 got some nice and handy drag/mouse/key shortcuts, just that most people didn't know...

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Re: Impressions
by Bobby on Saturday 12/Jan/2008, @16:12

"Plasma.. is still like a baby, it does have potential, but right now it just eat and produces some bad-smelling material ;) Not being able to drag and drop a plasmoid from desktop to taskbar is bad."

Plasma is still under heavy development we were told so what we see is just the beginning. Still we are the babies, we are the ones who have to learn how Plasma behaves.
If you want to drag and drop a plasmoid (widget) to the panel then you won't be successful by draging it from the desktop. You have to DRAG IT FROM THE PLASMOID DIALOG BOX. Yes the same window (whatever it's called) that you use to add the plasmoids to the desktop is where you have to drag them from to the panel. You can right click on icons in the start menu in order to add them to the panel or desktop :)

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Re: Impressions
by Koko on Sunday 13/Jan/2008, @04:19

What I would like to see is "panel versions of plasmoids" build in every plasmoid. For example dragging NewsTicker plasmoid into panel should give me a smaller plasmoid with news which would look there better. (AFAIR Aseigo was talking about sth like this so maybe tit will happen :) )

btw. section "Plasmoids" is on kde-look.org instead of kde-apps.org. ATM Plasmoids are all C++ apps which need compilation. So IMO they should be placed in kde-apps.org (on kde-apps.og there are already 2 plasmoids because authors didn't new that proper place is look.org ). Ideally ATM there should by Plasmoid sections on -look and -apps which content would be the same.

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Re: Impressions
by Anon on Sunday 13/Jan/2008, @05:30

"What I would like to see is "panel versions of plasmoids" build in every plasmoid. For example dragging NewsTicker plasmoid into panel should give me a smaller plasmoid with news which would look there better. (AFAIR Aseigo was talking about sth like this so maybe tit will happen :) )"

Yes, this is explicitly a core goal of Plasma, so you can definitely expect it. All of the infrastructure is there; applets writers simply need to respect the information provided by the Plasma core and adjust their applets accordingly. Some already do this, IIRC.

"btw. section "Plasmoids" is on kde-look.org instead of kde-apps.org. ATM Plasmoids are all C++ apps which need compilation. So IMO they should be placed in kde-apps.org (on kde-apps.og there are already 2 plasmoids because authors didn't new that proper place is look.org ). Ideally ATM there should by Plasmoid sections on -look and -apps which content would be the same."

Full agreement, here - kde-look.org is the last place I would have thought of looking!

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