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Re: who is the girl
by Paul on Friday 18/Jan/2008, @10:36

As I said in my deleted post, women do have the capacity to be good coders and many of the best programmers in history were women. Now it's a fact that there are very few women in the field today compared to men, and this is because most of them don't like coding, no because of sexism. If you really like something, you don't let sexism get in your way. I personally love cooking and I don't care if every time I cook something I get sexist joke from some people (and those include women, no kidding!), I just laugh at it and enjoy my cooking. If you let stupid remarks get in your way than maybe you don't really like what you're doing enough.
And I still stand that saying that a women looks sweet is not inapropriate unless you're a taliban or a neocon or something, and I've worked enough with women to notice that they say the same thing about us so please.

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Re: who is the girl
by Ben on Friday 18/Jan/2008, @10:50

Don't know why you keep bringing the Taliban up. From my understanding they make women cover up head-to-toe because they think men can't be trusted to behave themselves when presented with the female form, ie act like young boys. This is why I thought your characterization was odd/ironic.

Leaving aside the causes of the gender imbalance in programming (seen in other fields in both directions), I also find it odd when I travel to places like Italy where men seem to have carte blanche to hit on women loudly and unrepentantly in the street, almost as a hobby. Never understood that one, must ask an italian lady someday.

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Re: who is the girl
by Paul on Friday 18/Jan/2008, @11:12

> Don't know why you keep bringing the Taliban up

Because the Talibans reprehend everything that might leads to seduction between man and woman, they even forbid woman from waring white socks cause it's too sexy.
Well, when I see people getting outraged at a man saying to a woman she looks sweet as if this would lead to sexual assault then yes, it's ridiculous and it looks like Taliban thinking.

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Re: who is the girl
by patrice on Friday 18/Jan/2008, @11:01

the numbers about women's involvement in KDE, extracted from the commit demographics of the last 5 commit digests:

06.01.2008: 5,42%
30.12.2007: 5,64%
23.12.2007: 3,84%
16.12.2007: 4,83%
09.12.2007: 5,45%

whether this 5% correspond to programming or to translations and other non programming activities I cannot say.

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Re: who is the girl
by mike on Friday 18/Jan/2008, @16:12

paul. stop making generalizations,

please tell me the sample size of women you've worked with that would allow you to draw a conclusion for the entire gender.

everyday people deal with sexism, racist, classism, homophobia, etc.. and to a great deal of people it does prevent them from doing things they would enjoy.

it's funny you used an cooking example to highlight how you're comfortable doing what? women's work? you fucking sexist, you're too stupid to even realize.

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Re: who is the girl
by Paul on Friday 18/Jan/2008, @18:34

> please tell me the sample size of women you've worked with that would allow you to draw a conclusion for the entire gender.

Well, a sample of women in computer fields is always hard because there are so few of them. In my graduation class, there were 5 women and 25 men, none of these women wanted to code.

> it's funny you used an cooking example to highlight how you're comfortable doing what? women's work?

Re-read my comment, I said I enjoy cooking even though I have to put up with people making stupid remarks about how cooking is a girl thing. That's stupid of course but it doesn't stop me from cooking. There will always be ignorant people that think that cooking is a girl thing and those ignorants won't stop me from enjoying cooking. Get it now? Thanks for the nice words though...

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