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Re: nice review, with one exception
by yman on Sunday 20/Jan/2008, @03:57
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where I come from sex is one of the holiest things, which is why it's private rather than public.
making sex something casual and meaningless is a big part of what I object to, as well as encouraging the misuse of sex. all I'm asking is that you should please not offend me and turn me off. I think you'd also sound smarter if you did that.
if that is too much to ask, maybe I'll take my eyes and brain elsewhere. you'd lose a potential developer, seeing as I'm about to start learning programing in college.
it's your choice whether to appeal to a wider audience by not using phrases that can be offensive, or only appealing to a certain kind of person. one lone incident isn't going to turn me away from KDE, and I knew what kind of people I'm dealing with (take it literally), but if this persists I might feel like there really isn't room for me in this community. Just recently there was this whole thing about women in KDE, and when I said "maybe there aren't woman in KDE cause they just don't want to code" (quote from memory), I was told that it's the environment which discouraged women's participation even when they want to get involved. well, the same applies to me and moral values. I can tolerate some things, but other things turn me away. this kind of thing is the reason I don't do translations for Songbird anymore. I just couldn't tolerate the drawing of that bird having sex with Tux on the front page.
BTW, expressions like "Konqueror needs some love before it's ready" don't bother me too much, because the meaning of love is giving and helping and doing stuff for the sake of others. it only irritates me because a lot of people use the word love to mean sex, but when people say stuff like the above they are using the word the correct way. |
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Re: nice review, with one exception
by Matt on Sunday 20/Jan/2008, @04:32
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I think the problem here is that you think sexy means only about sex and it doesn't. Example:
In the UK they talk about sexy football. They mean stylish and interesting football that is exciting to watch. Nothing to do with sex.
Take a look at sexy from a dictionary. Here is the third meaning from dictionary dot com:
3. excitingly appealing; glamorous: a sexy new car.
I hope that with this information you might be less offended by the use of the word sexy. The usage of the word in the article is completely appropriate, perhaps you disagree that the word should mean this but it is hardly the fault of the writer that you are offended.
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Re: nice review, with one exception
by yman on Sunday 20/Jan/2008, @04:49
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I'll think about it.
on the other hand why is it that some words are impolite, while others aren't?
saying "nonsense" is OK, but "crap" isn't, even when they are used for the same thing. (like "that's nonsense" and "that's crap")
can't there be some standard of discretion? or maybe there is and it doesn't cover what bothers me?
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Re: nice review, with one exception
by Matt on Sunday 20/Jan/2008, @05:00
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I would accept that sexy is more informal (informal is not necessarily impolite) than "great" or "exciting" or "interesting" but this was a report from a day at the release event and it seems OK to me, its hardy an academic paper or something like that.
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Re: nice review, with one exception
by yman on Sunday 20/Jan/2008, @05:15
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I could accept that, if this weren't an official KDE website.
and why should manners be something that is outside the realm of real, living people?* does this mean humanity has lost it's dignity?
*academia doesn't count with me, because they live in theory rather than reality. can't tell you how many times I've been annoyed by theoretical discussions that ignored the fact that they are dealing with real issues. I'd rather not delve further into this subject
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Re: nice review, with one exception
by anon on Sunday 20/Jan/2008, @05:36
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I think that more important than the word is the intent with which it is used, obviously it is harder to judge in these days of text only communication. As an example, in the UK at least, there is far more swearing on television than ever before. People from 30 years ago would be shocked to see what is allowed these days, but nowadays the words have been desensitised. The emotion behind the words are the same but the words have changed. eg. in the 1950's if my train was cancelled I would say "bother!" or maybe even "bugger!" (which is another story) but these days they say "shit!" or "crap!". As the offence is taken in the tone of how it is phrased (from which you gauge the emotion) I think it is fine. In short I think it can be rude depending on how it is said - which causes confusion and unintended offence over the internet where it lacks context.
Anyway, KDE is a community not a corporate body, and it has members all over the globe so until the world homogenises these small problems are unavoidable I'm afraid.
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Re: nice review, with one exception
by yman on Sunday 20/Jan/2008, @05:52
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well, just because something is common doesn't make it good. all the swearing and cursing doesn't bother me any less just because they do it twice a minute on most TV shows. (and no, thats not a real number. it's a figurative figure used for emphasis)*. same goes for the pretty much pornographic content you get on TV and in movies, or gore that has finally even reached the milder cop shows.
*I think I might be making fun of myself (and my sensitivities) here. or maybe all the apologies people make, like: "I love Ubuntu, but it *ahem* doesn't run well at all on my XYZ system" finally really got to me.
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Re: nice review, with one exception
by terracotta on Sunday 20/Jan/2008, @05:13
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Using the word sexy for something new, exciting etc... isn't that uncommon, and splits the meaning of the word sexy from the meaning of the word sex, in certain cases, so it doesn't make sex casual and meaningless.
Second, using sexy, cool ... whatelse, is a way to attract more regular users to KDE, since using only political correct words/sentences would certainly give KDE a nerd-only feel, and that's not what they are aiming for.
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Re: nice review, with one exception
by yman on Sunday 20/Jan/2008, @05:19
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cool, eye candy, etc: these words don't have any connection to objectionable subject matters.
I can understand the marketing (or whatever) reason, but I haven't met this expression until now in the realm of KDE, and somehow I didn't feel like anything was lacking.
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Re: nice review, with one exception
by yman on Sunday 20/Jan/2008, @05:28
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oh, and I forgot to mention that on the whole, I do hate anything that has to do with being "politically correct".
anyhow, this isn't a threat of "do as I say or else". I'm just telling you how you can make yourselves more hospitable and welcoming towards me. I may stick with KDE in spite of the differences, or I may feel like I can't hang out with you folks any longer, and I wouldn't know how until I'm already out the door.
I do appreciate your attempts to explain things to me. maybe if I understand where you're coming from I'll be able to put up with how you express yourselves. I've already learned how to say "weekend", and be casual about other people consuming alcohol for fun. maybe I'll get used to this too, but then maybe not, who knows?
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Re: nice review, with one exception
by Ed on Wednesday 23/Jan/2008, @01:39
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I suggest reading William Isaacs book "Dialogue and the art of thinking together" as it deals with the situation of conflict that occurs in dialogue and suggests ways to get beyond the conflict and towards reflection where you put aside your own opinions with the aim of trying to appreciate where the other party(ies) are 'coming from'.
Harmony is about tolerance and I'm sure we all appreciate being made aware of the challenges we face in communicating to a diverse community such as KDE and how to better address that.
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