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Re: I hope the worm doesn't turn
by T. J. Brumfield on Wednesday 23/Jan/2008, @09:07
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Skype is the best example that comes to mind at the moment.
Firefox devs are working hard to integrate Firefox into Vista, while they've largely ignored Linux users for some time.
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Re: I hope the worm doesn't turn
by Robert Knight on Wednesday 23/Jan/2008, @09:37
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I disagree based on my impressions of a recent Firefox 3 nightly. There is better integration with the Linux desktop in a number of areas, most visibly there is improved styling of form controls using Gtk.
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Re: I hope the worm doesn't turn
by Max on Wednesday 23/Jan/2008, @11:11
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I wouldn't worry too much about Firefox.
I think the biggest reason FOSS and Linux is getting so big at the moment is BECAUSE OF FIREFOX. It makes sure that websites look the same and are easily decoded across plattforms. I've been running Firefox 3 beta for about a week now, and I don't see any problems with it. (well yahoo mail beta doesn't work right, but that's about it)
I wonder if anybody will integrate Firefox into Plasma (or the RSS part of it)?
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Re: I hope the worm doesn't turn
by Debian User on Thursday 24/Jan/2008, @11:59
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Hello,
I think you are giving Firefox too much honor.
There have been Apache: With Apache, IBM first took note that Open Source may be a good idea.
Then there was of course Linux the kernel, which has turned into a power horse, starting with 2.4, and absolutely there with 2.6 series. The list of companies working on it is like the who is who. From Nokia to Samsung to the more obviously Linux associated ones.
Then there was MySQL, which made Linux together with MySQL the absolute best choice as for fast web applications. It wasn't as capable as Postgresql, but it was damn fast.
Gnome/KDE and a lot more successful projects, that really made inroads in companies, and the toolkits behind, Qt and GTK, and not to forget wxWindows are very relevant to a large developer population.
I am a bit hesitant to mention OpenOffice, but to some Windows people an Office that needs no crack, was confusing and some real news and indication, how nice a world computers could be. I am thinking of OpenOffice as a largely failed project technically, but it does the trick for a while.
And to answer your question: Of course, KDE doesn't have any need or desire to integrate Firefox, as it has a nice web browser that I absolutely prefer over Firefox (only use it once in a week for that buggy website), and that is Konqueror with its KHTML, which was turned into Webkit and delivered as Safari by Apple (who hired Firefox developers to do that, btw) and is part of Qt 4.4, so it's the natural choice. I think the 4.1 Konqueror is going to surpass Firefox on the web browsing aspect.
BTW: I am currently using a Gutsy/Hardy mix with Konqueror 4 as the default web browser, and I am very impressed by its speed of rendering. Firefox is very slow, even compared to Konqueror 3. I am very much looking forward to the first near finished KDE 4 release.
And the RSS part has its counterpart in akregator. I use it every day, it embeds Konqueror nicely, and works perfect. No idea what Firefox does with RSS, but I couldn't stand any not KDE integrated interface unless I really had to.
Well, as you guessed by now, I only have faint memories of Windows. I think the last time I used it for anything else but gaming was like 2002, and only until I got my new employer convinced. I was only the Linux desktop since 2000 and on Linux as a server since 1995.
I think Firefox has helped a great many people to stay on Windows, which otherwise would have been impossible due to the extremely vulnerable Internet Explorer. It gives Microsoft very much needed breathing time, to restart the browser development. Back then, I knew people who went to Linux, because it was better for web browsing. I think it still is, but there is no more pain for the aware Windows user. So, honestly, their contribution to FOSS adoption is under doubt.
It may still be good, but I think their crappy Netscape code better had remained closed, then more healthy code like KHTML would have prevailed an gone further than it did so far. I am so glad, they managed to get past that now, but years were lost. Mind you, I used Mozilla when the releases were still named like M16/M18, and that was incredibly long ago. The same applies to OpenOffice.org btw.
Yours,
Kay
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Re: I hope the worm doesn't turn
by Mark Kretschmann on Thursday 24/Jan/2008, @16:31
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Wtf is your point again? We've been trying to analyze your text for the last 10 minutes. How about putting this in one understandable sentence?
Oh, and it's off topic.
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Re: I hope the worm doesn't turn
by Bobby on Thursday 24/Jan/2008, @06:48
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That's correct. I tried the latest Beta and I was surprised that it used my KDE icon-theme.
I also tried the Vista version on Vista but it wasn't there yet, it didn't adopt to Vista's looks.
Btw, has anyone tried to run the laest Firefox beta on KDE 4?
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Re: I hope the worm doesn't turn
by Ian Monroe on Wednesday 23/Jan/2008, @14:14
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Skype isn't open source, and I'm pretty sure was a Windows app first.
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Re: I hope the worm doesn't turn
by Debian User on Thursday 24/Jan/2008, @12:07
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These are the initial releases:
29.08.2003 Skype for Windows Beta 0.90.0.5
21.06.2004 Skype for Linux Beta version 0.90.0.3
31.08.2004 Skype for Mac OS X Beta 0.8.0.2
So ordered by time, it was Windows, Linux and then MacOS.
Yours,
Kay
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