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Sigh...
by GiacomoL on Saturday 26/Jan/2008, @09:49
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Uhm. Over the years people developed a plethora of KDE-based media players (KPlayer, KMPlayer, Kaffeine, Noatun, and soon even Amarok will have video support), but in KDE 4.1 the "official" video player (as it's the only one on kdemultimedia, everything else is in extragear or elsewhere) is going to be a ultra-basic thing that (I quote from the homepage) "has not yet made a stable release, but it is getting there"...? What a curious decision :/
(Note: this is not a flame. I just think is curious, there's probably a technical reason for this but I can't see it and I'd like that somebody would tell me). |
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Re: Sigh...
by Eike Hein on Saturday 26/Jan/2008, @10:05
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Dragon Player is actually the KDE 4 incarnation of a player that existed in the KDE 3 days as well, namely Codeine, written by one of the Amarok developers. Dragon Player is the KDE 4 rewrite, designed to use Phonon from the outset.
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Re: Sigh...
by jospoortvliet on Saturday 26/Jan/2008, @10:38
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I like none of the players you mention, except KMPlayer for playing in Konqi. Codeine/Dragonplayer rules them all in terms of just playing movies.
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Re: Sigh...
by Vide on Saturday 26/Jan/2008, @12:00
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+1
moreover, the default KDE multimedia player should be straight, simple, quick to load, and Dragon Player has everything
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Re: Sigh...
by Leo S on Saturday 26/Jan/2008, @16:20
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Absolutely. I have no need for any of the features in the other video players. Codeine/Dragon Player does what I need it to do without getting in the way. Once in a blue moon I fire up VLC for a stubborn video file that xine has issues with or to get at the slow motion feature.
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Re: Sigh...
by Jeremy on Saturday 26/Jan/2008, @23:14
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Dragon player is one of the best/simple video players, but are they going to keep that name? Come one, Dragon Player, thats more childish then something that starts with K.
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Rule #43
by sebas on Sunday 27/Jan/2008, @10:26
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No Dot story without someone having a different opinion about some name. :~)
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Re: Sigh...
by MamiyaOtaru on Sunday 27/Jan/2008, @13:16
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Is there an easy way to switch the audio track or turn subtitles on and off? Is there a way to record whatever internet stream it is playing? Without those features I would respectfully have to stick with Kaffeine.
It would then be a case of "90 percent of people only use 10 percent of the features, therefore we can cut the other 90 percent of the features and still keep 90 percent of the people happy" backfiring, since the set of features people uses differs from person to person.
I really do miss the days when KDE was about enabling, and giving features, and allowing users the opportunity to ignore them, but at least they *are there* for those who do use them. If my software is going to ascribe to gnome philosophies, I might as well use Gnome.
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Re: Sigh...
by spaceboy on Monday 28/Jan/2008, @01:23
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You know, there's a reason it's so common to hear of application "extensions" or "plug-ins" these days.
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Kaffeine is still a good choice
by Ian Monroe on Monday 28/Jan/2008, @09:40
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You can switch audio tracks and subtitles. I do plan on adding any feature that's that's make or break in being able to watch a movie. Having subtitles for a foreign film would be one of those. :)
Recording streams is actually a (somewhat hidden) feature Codeine had, so who knows I might add it back sometime in the future.
But really, no one is taking away your Kaffeine. How does having a simple video player mean that omgbbq KDE hates features. Kaffeine is alive and well in KDE extragear and I expect it to be back ready to serve their current users and new users who just expect more features out of their video player.
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Re: Sigh...
by Goran J on Sunday 27/Jan/2008, @02:32
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I haven't been able to test Dragon, but I really like Codeine for playing movies from DVD. The no-frills interface makes it nearly perfect for this.
To be *really* useful for playing compressed movies, it has to be able to change sound sync on the fly, though.
I also think you have to be able to skip forward-backwards and a few other things like that.
But as I said, I haven't tried Dragon - maye those things are already in in.
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Re: Sigh...
by Ian Monroe on Monday 28/Jan/2008, @09:42
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You can use the slider to skip forward and backward, just use the slider. True for Codeine and Dragon Player. If you mean in DVD chapters, that is a feature that I plan on adding in the future.
I don't get the point about changing sound sync though... I've never had this problem.
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Re: Sigh...
by Goran J on Friday 01/Feb/2008, @01:25
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> You can use the slider to skip forward and backward, just use the slider.
Yes, of course, but it's much more precise to use the arrow keys to jump a few seconds backwards and forwards. Especially when you don't use a regular mouse, but a small trackball :)
> I don't get the point about changing sound sync though...
It's a rather common problem with .avi files. I don't know what causes it, though.
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Re: Sigh...
by Ian Monroe on Saturday 26/Jan/2008, @11:01
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I'm quite glad that Dragon Player is in kdemultimedia, but the value of being in a KDE module is often overstated. For instance in KDE3, I guess under your theory Kaboodle was the official KDE video player. The reality is that most KDE-distros shipped Kaffeine as their default player. The KDE modules do serve as a way of raising awareness of KDE apps, especially within the project. But its mostly a form of release management.
Anyways don't knock Dragon Player until you've tried it. It has a simple user-interface, that's a lot different then being ultra-basic.
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Re: Sigh...
by Peter on Saturday 26/Jan/2008, @11:45
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name sounds bad? im happy to see a move away from Kthis and Kthat with KDE4. plasma, dolphin, amarok, phonon, dragon player, etc. etc. all show a move in naming, and its great. The Kapplications is not only ugly, also its inconvenient in menus to look through.
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Re: Sigh...
by Anon on Saturday 26/Jan/2008, @15:24
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Agreed that it's an improvement to drop the Kthis, Kthat, but "Dragon player" sounds like a game not a media application. Just "Dragon" would be fine though. Given there is some talk of applications being listed with descriptions in the menu listings, the extra descriptiveness isn't needed: it is "just a name" after all..
If the menus go that way, we'll have: "Dragon Player (Movie Player)" ...which is a bit redundant...
Kopete Chatter (IM Client)
Konqueror Browser (Web Browser)
Kmail Emailer (Email Client)
See what I mean?
Looks good, name aside.
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Re: Sigh...
by Woe on Sunday 27/Jan/2008, @02:34
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I think 'Dragon' itself is a good name, however the name is not that much of a problem. It is that Dragon by itself does not necessarily mean anything in terms of what the application can do, but I do not think a name should do that anyways. Consider how people of a given profession were addressed ever so long ago, a person could be "titled" John (Black)smith and while his name would 'John' his profession would be a blacksmith. The same could be applied here; the name is Dragon and the profession-if you will-is a media player so it could be titled Dragon media-player. That way people know what it does while giving it a unique name. Also for instances like the 'Kmenu' only the name would have to be displayed resulting in something like Dragon (Media Player) so no redundancy. :)
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Re: Sigh...
by MamiyaOtaru on Sunday 27/Jan/2008, @13:20
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Because it's really obvious what Okteta is for. KHexEdit was just too obscure.
Why K*appname* gets slammed when G*appname, i*appname* and Win*appname* get a relatively free pass is beyond me. I appreciate a name that tells me at a glance what it does, and for which OS/environment it is created.
I think the move away from such names it the latest mass hysteria to strike KDE, in the same vein as the widespread love at the time for Keramik. Given time, perhaps this move will be seen as something other than a bright idea, the same way Keramik was tossed into the junk heap.
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Re: Sigh...
by olahaye74 on Monday 28/Jan/2008, @02:40
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+1
in freshmeat, if an app name is unknown to me, then
if its name starts with a k I give alook at it as it is highly probable that it'll be a kde app that takes benefit of the integrated desktop.
else I skip as if it's a graphical app, it won't take benefit of the tight integration, thus: useless.
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Re: Sigh...
by T. J. Brumfield on Sunday 27/Jan/2008, @09:23
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KDE has always been about choice. You seem to suggest that the current state of KDE represents KDE's final goal, which is a falacy. KDE 4.0 didn't have a video player at all, so you're suggesting officially KDE abandoned video players, and by having 1 video player in KDE 4.1 the official stance is to only have one official player.
Basically, don't read too much into the fact that not all the KDE 3 apps have been ported over. In a volunteer world, people opt to port over what they opt to do so. I'm sure most of the KDE 3 apps will get ported over in time.
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