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Re: Kwin effect
by Hans on Saturday 02/Feb/2008, @03:32

>> KDE devs: Don't listen to the trolls !!,

Uh? Was the troll part directed at me? I don't see how I'm trolling - if my post really offended you, please tell me how and, if it makes sense, I'll try to avoid it in the future. To me, giving a suggestion != trolling.

>> plz dude, no more effects, stop dillusioning, on this or that supercalifantastickool effect, there are way other stuff to be done first to have all the *bling* working at full throttle , i.e, projector Hotplugging, blank sync, rendering, namely.

Plz dude, I don't think you're the one to tell what the developers should be working on. Sure, some things are more important to users, but AFAIK the developers are still free to work on what they want.

In this case, we have someone who knows OpenGL and has implanted the first(?) 3D KWin effect. If that's what he like to do, should we stop him and rattle off things that are "more important" than "*bling*"?

That's what I would call trolling.

I never said that I _must_ have that effect, nor did I say that it was fantastic. I just gave a mere suggestion, and if you don't like it, why not just ignore it or at give some constructive critic.

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Re: Kwin effect
by joekey1 on Saturday 02/Feb/2008, @05:43

>>Uh? Was the troll part directed at me?

nah, it was not specifically directed to you, it's just the general climate on the bling o-factor ;-)
please of course... come on everyone is free to do whatever till heart content == open source!,

You know everyone rambles on the same subject ..."I want widgets to do xxx, I want windows to fly that xx way, etc ,etc."..

IMHO _boring_!

Didn't not intented trolling, you really twisted what I said.

>>Plz dude, I don't think you're the one to tell what the developers should be working on

hmm, sorry, you are right and I am wrong, I am an ugly, stinky and stupid troll.

Anyways as a matter of fact I do have a constructive critic.
The compiz guys already started their decorator port of Kwin/Kde4,
http://gitweb.compiz-fusion.org/?p=compiz;a=commit;h=176a81107c9b77439850c2c1f7d9ecb138b7e2cd
http://gitweb.compiz-fusion.org/?p=compiz;a=commit;h=d29094df5fcc0c0e1eb13a02cdb7662085cef9c6

why have a duplicate list of excentric complex features requests, it's just too much, why don't just leave the hard ones to them ?

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Re: Kwin effect
by A Critic on Sunday 03/Feb/2008, @15:06

>> Plz dude, I don't think you're the one to tell what the developers should be
>> working on

> hmm, sorry, you are right and I am wrong, I am an ugly, stinky and stupid
> troll

What am I missing here?

Users have every right to tell developers what they think about the project. I think that it is called FREE SPEECH! Nobody said that the developers have to listen to the users (only that it would be a good idea if they did so). Developers can be as arrogant as they want, but the question is what the intention of the KDE project is. Do we intend to make a usable DeskTop to be used by the public, or is it just to amuse the developers? I really doubt that, in the long run, a project that continues to be partially done, and with serious quality issues, will be successful with anyone other than *NIX Geeks.

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Re: Kwin effect
by Hans on Monday 04/Feb/2008, @09:48

Maybe I was unclear, and I apologize if it offended anyone. However, that is my point of view:

"Users have every right to tell developers what they think about the project." Yeah, I completely agree. But that's not what I meant; you can't _force_ developers to do anything. That's what it all boils down to.

I gave a suggestion of what I think could be a neat effect. And joekey1 responded with, what sounded to me like, "shut up troll, the developers should work on making KDE more stable". Could be because of my (lack of) English skill, but that's how I interpreted his post.

While I agree that stability is more important than bling, I still want to stand by my point: users are free to give suggestions, constructive critic etc, but shouldn't decide what the developers have to work on. If someone likes to implant KWin effects, should we force him/her to fix bugs in KDElibs instead?

If you find something unstable, you're free to report bugs or get the devs' attention in other ways; but you can't force anyone to fix that bug, can you?

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Re: Kwin effect
by JRT on Monday 04/Feb/2008, @11:51

> ... you can't force anyone to fix that bug, can you?

No, users can't. However, the developers need to take steps to see that more bugs are fixed and fixed quicker. I leave it to the developers to decide how to organize a quality management group. All that I can say is that it needs to be done, and soon.

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