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Re: Kwin effect
by T. J. Brumfield on Saturday 02/Feb/2008, @07:14
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What trolling are you talking about?
People like eye-candy. And while it may not help productivity for certain effects, people still like them. |
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Re: Kwin effect
by Jeff Strehlow on Saturday 02/Feb/2008, @10:48
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"People like eye-candy. And while it may not help productivity for certain effects, people still like them."
SOME people like eye candy. SOME people don't like eye candy and probably a lot of people don't care. I don't like it because:
1. KDE4 is far from being finished and there are things much more important for the developers to focus on like getting the configuration tools finished and working properly.
2. I'm concerned about bloat. The RAM usage on my machine using KDE4 is more than twice what it is using KDE3. My machine can handle it (2 GB RAM) but my wife's machine (512 MB) will start to hit limits and the VM will start running which will slow her machine down. Some people say just buy more RAM because RAM is cheap. DDR2 RAM is cheap now but the older type of RAM that my wifes machine needs isn't. I showed KDE4 to my wife and she likes it but there's no way she'll want me to put it on her machine if it means we have to buy a new machine for her or spend a lot of money upgrading the RAM. If I see the memory footprint drop later then I'll probably put KDE4 on her machine otherwise I won't. There must be a lot of other people in that same situation that have machines about 7 years old and are now using KDE3 but won't use KDE4 because it's too bloated.
The only special effect I like is the magnify feature that sometimes makes it easier to read or see objects. I hope the developers don't add more eye candy to KDE4. Please make it reliable, implement the configuration features we need and reduce the memory footprint if you can.
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Re: Kwin effect
by Diederik van der Boor on Saturday 02/Feb/2008, @11:23
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You worry about bloat when every KWin animation is a separate plugin, which is only loaded if you've enabled it?
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:-p
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Re: Kwin effect
by Jeff Strehlow on Saturday 02/Feb/2008, @15:06
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I don't know how the animations are implemented but one thing for sure KDE4 does take a lot more memory than KDE3. I'd rather see the developers working on finishing KDE4 and making it work right and reducing the footprint than working on unimportant things.
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Re: Kwin effect
by Anon on Saturday 02/Feb/2008, @22:35
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Most of the extra memory usage comes from Qt4's double-buffering of widgets, which virtually eliminates flickering. It's a design choice, so if you disagree with it, take it up with TT - it's largely out of KDE's hands.
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Re: Kwin effect
by T. J. Brumfield on Sunday 03/Feb/2008, @10:46
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And correct me if I'm wrong, but won't the next QT release (4.4?) fix this?
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Re: Kwin effect
by Anon on Sunday 03/Feb/2008, @11:37
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I don't know, to be honest: I'd *imagine* "Alien" would reduce the need for double-buffering when resizing and such, but I'm not sure if it would be so effective that TT would turn double-buffering off. My guess is "no" :/
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Re: Kwin effect
by Steve M on Saturday 02/Feb/2008, @21:42
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Yes. I second that.
Eye candy was the whole reason I dumped Vista and went over to linux.
If it weren't for compiz fusion's effects I wouldn't have bothered.
There just isn't the same amount of eye candy (and useful eye candy) on ANY other operating sytem at the moment.
Now I love linux.
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