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Re: anybody tried the opensuse 10.3 version?
by walter on Wednesday 06/Feb/2008, @03:29
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Agreed. Personally, i think there will be a day in the future when ms seriously regrets the Novell-deal. They hoped to get a legal hammer, but will soon discover how they underestimated the power of spreading technology in an OSS world.
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Re: anybody tried the opensuse 10.3 version?
by Bobby on Wednesday 06/Feb/2008, @03:34
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Ditto. I am using SuSe for years and I will never change. I have tried Kubuntu (not as polished as openSuse), Mandriva, and PCLinuxOS but I always come back to Suse baby. Just love her :)
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Re: anybody tried the opensuse 10.3 version?
by Sebastian on Wednesday 06/Feb/2008, @06:18
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The problem with Suse is that applications are not at default UNIX places (eg. /opt vs. /usr/bin). There are systems executables where you may follow a loooong chain of symlinks in order to find the right file. And sax2 is broken in 10.3 - please, never use it.
However, OpenSuse and Fedora are the currently best polished Linux systems, I agree. I tried Kubunto once - never again. I'll stick with Suse
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Re: anybody tried the opensuse 10.3 version?
by Bobby on Wednesday 06/Feb/2008, @06:24
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"The problem with Suse is that applications are not at default UNIX places (eg. /opt vs. /usr/bin). There are systems executables where you may follow a loooong chain of symlinks in order to find the right file."
That might interest the technies but for a normal user all that counts is that the distro looks good and works fine and there is where Suse seems to get better every time.
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Re: anybody tried the opensuse 10.3 version?
by Sebastian on Wednesday 06/Feb/2008, @09:41
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Well, we implement software for cross platform applications in our company. Imagine how people cry sometimes...
It is not just about KDE, it's the rest as well...
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Re: anybody tried the opensuse 10.3 version?
by rik on Wednesday 06/Feb/2008, @10:05
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I was surprised there was no tool to chase down symlinks. I just googled and found an answer and proposed solution.
http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=594821
(also as Billie noted, KDE4 is under /usr in openSUSE)
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KDE4 app locations
by Bille on Wednesday 06/Feb/2008, @08:40
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If you try openSUSE KDE 4 packages, you'll notice that KDE4 is in /usr for FHS compliance.
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Re: KDE4 app locations
by blacky on Wednesday 06/Feb/2008, @09:56
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Same for Gnome. They have completely eliminated /opt AFAIK.
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Re: anybody tried the opensuse 10.3 version?
by whatever noticed on Wednesday 06/Feb/2008, @16:01
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"The problem with Suse is that applications are not at default UNIX places (eg. /opt vs. /usr/bin)."
this has been changed in suse 10.3: gnome and kde4 are now in /usr, while kde3 will remain in /opt for now.
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Novell's policies
by The Badger on Wednesday 06/Feb/2008, @08:28
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Well, Novell once displayed a "not too specific, but not immediately evil" policy with respect to software patents:
http://www.novell.com/company/policies/patent/
http://www.novell.com/company/policies/patent/european.html
Although they didn't seem to be that bothered to really oppose moves towards patentability of software at that point.
Really, Novell haven't done enough to shake off the bad reputation they've acquired. On the one hand you have stuff like this:
http://www.eff.org/press/releases/2007/05
http://www.openinventionnetwork.com/about_members.php
On the other, you have stuff like this:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/nov06/11-02MSNovellPR.mspx
Perhaps the latter was just an easy money transaction, but like the situation involving recent events with a certain company and their acquisition, being seen with the wrong kind of people can really damage credibility. At least, depending on various difficult-to-predict factors like the weather and Novell's bottom line, Novell can be credited with a certain amount of goodwill from the community - a lot more that can be said for a certain Finnish organisation...
http://eupat.ffii.org/papers/europarl0309/nokia0404/index.en.html
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Re: Novell's policies
by T. J. Brumfield on Wednesday 06/Feb/2008, @09:44
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The Novell MS deal was announced as a means to work cross-platform between the two companies, and yet they aren't doing that in the least.
Novell got a pay day, and a reprieve from possible litigation.
MS got a bargaining chip to hang over everyone else's heads. Look Novell paid to license patents, and anyone else who hasn't might be sued! This deal was classic FUD.
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Re: Novell's policies
by blacky on Wednesday 06/Feb/2008, @10:01
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«The Novell MS deal was announced as a means to work cross-platform between the two companies, and yet they aren't doing that in the least.»
From some talking with a few OpenOffice Novell developers, it does seem like there is cooperation. Both in the support of Office Open XML, and in the Windows OO.o builds.
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Re: Novell's policies
by JRT on Wednesday 06/Feb/2008, @20:54
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The missing piece of the Novell puzzle is the WordPerfect suit. Prior to the deal with MS, Novell was still persuing legal action regarding the illegal restraint of trade by MS in connection with WordPerfect (as documented in the US vs. MS). I have not been able to find any information regarding the current status of this lawsuit.
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Re: Novell's policies
by elsewhere on Thursday 07/Feb/2008, @13:05
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>>I have not been able to find any information regarding the current status of this lawsuit.
Then you haven't really looked hard enough, google is your friend.
A couple of weeks ago MS filed a petition with the Supreme Court to have the lawsuit quashed, the story was carried in much of the tech media. A response from the court is due Feb 11.
Novell specifically stated at the time of the MS/Novell deal that the Wordperfect lawsuit would continue and was specifically excluded from the agreement.
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Re: Novell's policies
by JRT on Thursday 07/Feb/2008, @23:53
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Thanks. I'v been busy being ill. I get CW & ET email news letters, but I must have missed it.
Yes, I read that it would continue at the time of the deal, and then it dropped off the radar.
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Re: Novell's policies
by S on Friday 08/Feb/2008, @10:08
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Agreed. They didn't even make NTFS file support. The open source world did.
Also is it just me, or did they quietly kill XEN - virtualization off. (doesn't Microsoft have a similar product?? *I wonder*)
I haven't really seen any obvious benefit from the deal. To either parties really.
Life support for Novell? That's all I can think about.
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Re: anybody tried the opensuse 10.3 version?
by S on Friday 08/Feb/2008, @10:04
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+1 agreed.
Novell has been doing much more for KDE than Canonical has been doing.
Look at the joke that Kubuntu turned into. SuSE has much more features.
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