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Re: About PIM
by Paul Eggleton on Tuesday 19/Feb/2008, @11:43
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Wouldn't it be better to concentrate on improving the integration between the components within Kontact where needed? Surely this would be a lot less work than trying to roll all of the components into one huge monolithic application.
Other than the configuration dialogs, where would you like to see more integration between the components? |
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Re: About PIM
by Cypher on Tuesday 19/Feb/2008, @13:48
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To be honest... I don't really know. Everytime I tried to launch Kontact, I got the KOrganizer and the... what was it again... the RSS aggregator... icons in the dock. Then I tried to configure the KMail part to get my GMail account through IMAP, and never found the option to root into a subdirectory (which is [Gmail] in the case of GMail)... Then gave up... Too many icons in the dock + blurry config + no easy GCalendar integration, I decided that Thunderbird + Lightning + GCalendar plugin was better suited to my needs, even if it doesn't integrate that well into my KDE.
So I must say that I can't really be of great help. I was just suggesting a usability goal, based on the fact that I personally got lost because it didn't feel... erm... united enough. I would just say that a single tray icon, and stripped down unified config dialog with advanced options being just one click away would be great. Easy to use at first try, easy to tweak afterwards.
My 2 cents...
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Re: About PIM
by Benjamin Schleinzer on Tuesday 19/Feb/2008, @18:12
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If the icons annoy you ( they did annoy me as well) each application has an option to remove the icon from the tray. Voila you are left with no icon or the icon of kmail/korganizer/... or whatever icon you find most helpfull. This is actually a great way to customize the way the application presents itself to you. You need of course to go through the config dialogs for these applications but these are very well organized and you will find your way through if you are willing to spend a few minutes.
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Re: About PIM
by Cypher on Tuesday 19/Feb/2008, @21:38
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Well... I need an all-in-one icon actually, because those icons are useful, but there are too many of them. No need to duplicate, only one for everything would be great.
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Re: About PIM
by jos poortvliet on Tuesday 19/Feb/2008, @23:54
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I fully agree on the icon thing, I must say... Just one for all of contact, not several.
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Re: About PIM
by Anon on Wednesday 20/Feb/2008, @00:51
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Complete disagreement, here - I want to see the number of unread RSS posts I have and the number of unread e-mails I have both at once, and you can't fit all of this info into one system tray icon.
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Re: About PIM
by Chani on Wednesday 20/Feb/2008, @22:16
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which is why the system tray just... well.. sucks. it's an old concept and it's not working any more.
what we *really* need in this case is a kontact plasmoid. I'm sure it's just a matter of time before one shows up; akonadi should make stuff like that extra-easy :)
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Re: About PIM
by Cypher on Thursday 21/Feb/2008, @01:00
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The difference between plasma and the systray is that the systray is always visible and docked into a panel with other "always on top" things. I don't want to access the plasma dashboard in order to click the icon. It should just be one click away, with no need to use the keyboard (I know, that's the current trend : use the keyboard more... just look at the new kmenu replacements. But I am lazy, and I don't like hitting my keyboard while I could just use my mouse. I spend most of my time just using a mouse, with my left hand holding a pen and taking notes. And that's the way I like it, I don't want to be forced to use both of my hands... Erm... sorry for the digression :) )
I guess that the systray is not dead and plasma is not the perfect solution to every problem (even if it is an amazing piece of work).
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Re: About PIM
by Anon on Thursday 21/Feb/2008, @01:16
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"The difference between plasma and the systray is that the systray is always visible and docked into a panel with other "always on top" things"
Er ... you do know that the systray is actually a Plasmoid, don't you? There is absolutely no difference between a Plasmoid and something that can be "always visible and docked into a panel with other 'always on top' things".
"I don't want to access the plasma dashboard in order to click the icon."
You won't have to - just dock it in a Panel where you can always see it.
"It should just be one click away, with no need to use the keyboard"
See above :)
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Re: About PIM
by Cypher on Thursday 21/Feb/2008, @03:03
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Yes, right, I forgot about plasmoids in panels, my mistake :)
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Re: About PIM
by JRT on Thursday 21/Feb/2008, @09:59
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This is getting OT since this page is about 3.5, but:
Widgets (KDE-4) could be much more useful if they could be assigned a hot spot at the edge of the screen that would move them to the top as with hidden panels in KDE-3.5.x
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Re: About PIM
by Thomas McGuire on Wednesday 20/Feb/2008, @11:50
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Yes, an (optional) unified Kontact system tray icon is definitely needed.
We already have a unified progress indicator, that shows it can be done (and also shows HOW it can be done).
Hint: This would be a great junior job.
The bug report for this is at https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75446 .
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