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Re: Looks great, but PLEASE SAVE DESKTOP REAL ESTA
by Max on Wednesday 20/Feb/2008, @21:13
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One of my machines is a dual 22" wide-screen setup. That doesn't mean I have to waste all that gained screen real estate.
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I don't see a need for Konqueror to use the whole screen. As a matter of fact, I like it as small as possible. My FILES should use the screen real estate, not he program/window that houses them. I'm all for small icons, thin borders, minimalistic window decoration. Anybody notice how with Windows Vista everything got bigger? Borders, title bars, buttons, etc.? What was the need? This is not the car industry for crying out loud, where each new model is larger than the previous year. Even the damn MINI Cooper got larger with the newest version.
I got bigger screens to gain some EXTRA screen real estate, not for the programs to "bloat" it all away again. In the future I'll have a 60" screen, and still won't be able to display more information on it at a time than I do now. Why does it have to be this way?
I'm not even going to mention my 10.4" laptop screen, or an Asus EEEpc, or *gasp* my 7" CarPc screen, that runs at 800x600. <-- I wouldn't even be able to see ANYTHING BESIDES THE PANEL and a menu.
Am I really the only one who feels this way?
Windows 3.1 ran comfortably under 640x480 VGA resolution, Vista recommends as a MINIMUM 1280x1024. Does KDE/Linux have to head this way too? I thought it's all about choice? Please give users the CHOICE OVER HOW MUCH SCREEN REAL ESTATE HE/SHE WANTS TO ASSIGN (waste)!!!
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Re: Looks great, but PLEASE SAVE DESKTOP REAL ESTA
by Terracotta on Wednesday 20/Feb/2008, @22:57
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You've got the choice, by not using it, there are other menus out there. At least it's a choice extra. Besides, it's a menu, something that takes screen estate from the moment you're not looking at anything else but the menu, so it doesn't really matter how much is covered by the menu when opened.
Should the people with big resolution be ignored by not using the options available, just because users with other panels can't use the option? They still have the older options (in my point of view the new "old menu" is one of the best menus out there, though this raptor thingie does look nice/way better than that opensuse mistake.
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Re: Looks great, but PLEASE SAVE DESKTOP REAL ESTA
by Max on Thursday 21/Feb/2008, @12:48
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That's the part I'm confused about. The screenshots make it look like it's "always there" kind of like OS-X's quicklaunch at the bottom. Hence my confusion.
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Re: Looks great, but PLEASE SAVE DESKTOP REAL ESTA
by Terracotta on Saturday 23/Feb/2008, @03:36
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It's quite hard to show-of a menu when it's not opened ;-). But it's just like the kmenu now, just visible when you press the button.
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Re: Looks great, but PLEASE SAVE DESKTOP REAL ESTA
by Lee on Saturday 23/Feb/2008, @01:35
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That should not be the choice. KDE4 is supposed to be vector-based, fluid, and fully scalable. Besides, he's not saying he dislikes the app or would prefer effort wasted on a slighty different version of the same thing --- he's just saying he'd like it a bit smaller.
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Re: Looks great, but PLEASE SAVE DESKTOP REAL ESTA
by Max on Sunday 24/Feb/2008, @23:24
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Thank you! That's exactly what I was saying.
I just want the ability to resize, that's all.
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Re: Looks great, but PLEASE SAVE DESKTOP REAL ESTA
by yman on Thursday 21/Feb/2008, @00:19
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they'll probably have different interfaces for different form factors, so that generally size would fit available space. at least that is what I assume.
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Re: Looks great, but PLEASE SAVE DESKTOP REAL ESTA
by Soap on Thursday 21/Feb/2008, @01:08
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First of, Max, I totally agree with you in so many ways. And let's face it, all the current menu implementations use a lot of space screen (except possibly kmenu, but it's not the nicest).
I've got a fairly new eeePC, and it's a testiment to efficient use of screen real estate. It's 800x480, and I can do most of my tasks comfortably on it. Tomorrow, I plan to finally install kde4 on it, because I can remove the panel, and free up more space. Also, I hope to reimplement some of the really nice stuff that I'll miss, and plasma should be great for it. Also, krunner is awesome!
Now, plasma's panel has gui for customizing size (I think it's getting into 4.0.2), and most of the widgets/plasmoids/applets are fully resizeable, and hearing Aaron talk, you really get the sense that he understands there are different form factors. So, I hope someone will also make the launchers, and whatever else resizeable.
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Re: Looks great, but PLEASE SAVE DESKTOP REAL ESTA
by André on Thursday 21/Feb/2008, @01:40
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While I agree with your general plea not to waste screen realestate with useless decor, I don't think this applies to something like a start menu. If you are using the menu, your (only) task is to find and start the application you're after. I would actually prefer a FULL SCREEN start menu that nicely blends over my open desktop, so there is plenty of space to make a decent and logical presentation of my applications that allows me to find what I'm after quicky. No more menus with sub menus that are impossible to navigate with a mouse, let alone - heaven forbid! - scrollbars in the menu.
Why not use the full screen for that? It's not like you're doing something else while starting a new application, are you? And as soon as you found what you are looking for, the whole thing will disapear again anyway.
Again: I am totally with you if you're talking about normal applications that you have running side by side, but the start menu is not a normal application.
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Re: Looks great, but PLEASE SAVE DESKTOP REAL ESTA
by Anon on Thursday 21/Feb/2008, @06:10
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Agreed on the full screen start menu. I really don't understand the "I want to save the screen real estate, even while I'm not doing anything in it". The same sort of logic that says "the OS is using up all the memory!!!" like it should keep some sitting doing nothing just to make you feel comfortable.
Weird...
Anyway, I'd love to see a full-screen menu system that does something smart. Searching for things we can assimilate a lot of information in our peripheral view, hiding the things we're looking for in hierarchies doesn't make a whole lot of sense. (note: I say /hiding/ not /putting/ although taggings better)
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Re: Looks great, but PLEASE SAVE DESKTOP REAL ESTA
by Ian Monroe on Thursday 21/Feb/2008, @06:57
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Cool down man. May I recommend some fukitol http://www.flickr.com/photos/woeful/390701224/sizes/o/
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Re: Looks great, but PLEASE SAVE DESKTOP REAL ESTA
by Max on Thursday 21/Feb/2008, @12:53
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ooo That's great. :)
Robin Williams fan too?
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Re: Looks great, but PLEASE SAVE DESKTOP REAL ESTA
by Marc on Thursday 21/Feb/2008, @08:10
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I so agree... especially i couldn't quite understand who on earth defined the default size of the KDE-panel (assuming to that time it wouldn't be resizable until 4.1) to a freaking huge retarded nightmare of wasted screen estate!
It ONLY looks normal with resolutions 1600x1200 an higher ... wtF?!!? So many people i heard saying "well, KDE4 looks nice, but that insanely big panel..." - that much for the good first impression KDE4 was aiming for.
These are the little things where you ask yourself "What on earth where they thinking"?
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Re: Looks great, but PLEASE SAVE DESKTOP REAL ESTA
by Max on Thursday 21/Feb/2008, @12:54
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Exactly!!
Only reason I could see at the time was: "Looks great in screen-shots". Then I was really disappointed after i installed to see that it's the FINAL version. :(
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