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Re: time to get a new digest writer
by Digest Reader on Saturday 23/Feb/2008, @13:32
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Don't drink and write, honey. Please tell me, where are the ads on this side? Do you even have a slightest idea that the digest is brought to you by a brave man who spends nothing but his free time on this? Instead of having a walk in the sunshine? Or surfing the sea?
Oh, was this your application to take over the digest writing? Sorry, then. Not.
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Re: time to get a new digest writer
by M on Sunday 24/Feb/2008, @20:05
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Hey, that's not a bad idea.
We should have ads on this site. All the proceeds go towards the KDE project. Might be a good income source to help offset some of the costs associated with the project. Or to help the programmers out financially that need it.
We could either have banner ads, or google adwords, or something similar. Could the project developers in charge please vote on this?
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Re: time to get a new digest writer
by jos poortvliet on Monday 25/Feb/2008, @06:35
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We discussed things like that, but there are many issues involved. Legal (we can't earn money) and social - do we want to let MS advertise here? Do we like google enough to let em make money on us? How does it affect our image? Etc.
We decided to use advertising as little as possible.
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Re: time to get a new digest writer
by Hardy on Saturday 23/Feb/2008, @13:40
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Sorry, i dislike your comment.
I don't know, how much work this could be, but i think that, if i am in a business, than i don't take the last snapshot ...
There are "normal" releases for those(?) i'm waiting (next Fedora for me), but i never ever take snapshot for more than just playing with the new integrated things like i've done with the daily-release from <sorry>. 4.0.2 or 4.1.0, see the release-plan.
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Re: time to get a new digest writer
by anonymous coward on Saturday 23/Feb/2008, @13:45
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What annoys me on the dot is not the casual general anesthesia posting bullshit, but others starting to debate it.
Guys, nothing to see here, move along!
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Re: time to get a new digest writer
by she on Saturday 23/Feb/2008, @15:31
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whats annoys me even more are people like you who tell others who and if they should respond to anyone
that includes trolls
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Re: time to get a new digest writer
by winter on Saturday 23/Feb/2008, @16:18
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You anonymous dorks. 1st off, if you are serious about using code from SVN like you say you are, then read all the logs and the code. 2nd, shut your pie whole. You're a whining wanker. Go buy software and get shafted. 3rd, I will repremand you just to show that I appreciate Danny and anyone's ones contribution to the community.
Whining wankers... yawn...
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Re: time to get a new digest writer
by Grósz Dániel on Saturday 23/Feb/2008, @13:42
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"if digest continue to be a week late, I can only see us moving to another desktop environment"
Which other desktop environment has a weekly commit digest?
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Re: time to get a new digest writer
by Koko on Saturday 23/Feb/2008, @14:24
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good point! :)
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Re: time to get a new digest writer
by Lee on Saturday 23/Feb/2008, @15:01
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Windows. Except there, the commits are to your own machine, by botnets ;)
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Re: time to get a new digest writer
by Tray on Saturday 23/Feb/2008, @13:43
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Danny is writing this on a volunteer basis! Calling him lazy for taking time out of his schedule to do this is an insult to any volunteer who has ever helped out an open source project.
Furthermore, if he 'lets go of the reins' as you suggest, it's very likely that no one else will pick them up, and we'll be left with absolutely no commit digest at all. Is that what you want?
If you want instantaneous info about commits, just watch the kde-commits archive: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-commits&r=1&w=2
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Re: time to get a new digest writer
by Jim on Saturday 23/Feb/2008, @13:56
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Don't feed the obvious troll, people.
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Re: time to get a new digest writer
by Dan on Saturday 23/Feb/2008, @14:29
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2/10.
You get four for getting so many responses, but lose one for posting the same comment last week and another for using the name "anon"
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Re: time to get a new digest writer
by cirehawk on Saturday 23/Feb/2008, @14:34
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You and the other "us" you refer to have fun in another desktop. We don't need your kind around theses parts. :)
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Re: time to get a new digest writer
by Troy Unrau on Saturday 23/Feb/2008, @17:37
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You know, I sort of agree with this mentality. We (internally) have talked before about poisonous people in the KDE community, but this could just as well extend to users. We don't need poisonous users, and they can go elsewhere while the rest enjoy the project.
I will have to think about this some more, and try to develop some sort of position statement... hrmmm...
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Re: time to get a new digest writer
by Martin on Saturday 23/Feb/2008, @22:04
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How about a trojan in Konqueror that detects troll posting to the Dot and uninstalls KDE the next time the user gains superuser privileges? Oh, so a post suggesting to trojan KDE could itself be considered trolling? Alright, one moment. I'll just install this package and then come up with something better...... Hey!? what is happ
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Re: time to get a new digest writer
by Erik on Sunday 24/Feb/2008, @05:28
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LOL ;-) (although he is probably not using Konqueror)
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Re: time to get a new digest writer
by cirehawk on Sunday 24/Feb/2008, @14:09
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And to be honest, I wasn't saying it in a mean spirited way. I just hate when people try to make demands of someone who is providing them a free service. It would be as if I were giving someone $1,000 dollars out of the kindness of my heart, but they get upset that I don't give it them at the exact moment they want it. I'd rather they say thank you or nothing at all. FOSS is all about choice. If a person wants to move on to something else (no matter how silly the reason), then by all means do it.
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Re: time to get a new digest writer
by Boudewijn Rempt on Monday 25/Feb/2008, @03:30
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At the 2007 LGM Bryce Harrington gave a presentation on this topic that was very insightful. His presentation is at http://www.bryceharrington.org/lgm07/, especially http://www.bryceharrington.org/lgm07/03_4_users_vs_contributors.svg. His recent blog entry http://bryceharrington.org/drupal/foss-win-paradox develops the same theme: users can have a negative effect on a project, and the trick is to make users stop considering themselves as entitled consumers and turn them into worthwhile contributors.
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Re: time to get a new digest writer
by Aaron Seigo on Saturday 23/Feb/2008, @14:45
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This is not a reply to the parent comment, but a bit of information to help those they may have confused:
The digest is a summary of the last week's worth of commits to the KDE source repository. It's not about what's in a given release (releases happen periodically, pulled from the source repo) and it's not published to let people see the changes (aka "commits") before they happen but as a report on what (of significance) has changed.
The parent post is either just an outright troll or highly confused (I'm guessing the former).
And Danny: rock on =)
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Re: time to get a new digest writer
by hias on Saturday 23/Feb/2008, @15:29
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I know, I shouldn't feed the troll, but I want to say that I appreciate the hard work from Danny. So please don't get discouraged by such idiots and keep on doing the digest. And if it helps to get rid of such people, take another week for the digest and let those people move to whichever desktop environment they want. It's a win for KDE if they troll somewhere else.
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Do you even understand what the commit DIGEST is?
by Anon on Saturday 23/Feb/2008, @16:54
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It's a SUMMARISED list of major changes in the KDE SVN: the DEVELOPERS source repository. It's not a packaged release detail. It's not meant for general consumption. It's not meant to advise/otherwise on upgrading. It's not meant for home users, companies or anyone not involved in development: It can't be "LIVE" or it wouldn't be a "DIGEST".
If you're running your business IT based on this digest your company is in trouble: but not in the way you think it is. If you're not, you have no business posting about what does/doesn't matter for businesses.
So... You're going to switch DE because of a delayed commit digest? Do you change web browsers when you order something online and it turns up late? Did you stumble onto the wrong site? I'm not sure you know how a computer works.
In summary: You, sir, are a moron.
P.S. Danny: Keep up the good work...
I've donated before but will send some more as compensation for putting up with this guy. Evolution owes us all an apology.
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Re: time to get a new digest writer
by fred on Saturday 23/Feb/2008, @20:39
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Ok, I'll tell you, you can get even better from the weekly commit digest, you can subscribe to kde-commits mailing list and see every single person committing to the KDE source SVN :p Much better right? No need to wait for one week
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Re: time to get a new digest writer
by JRT on Saturday 23/Feb/2008, @22:36
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Duh!
I don't see the Digest as being at all relevant for the purpose that you wish to use it for. I am not saying that the information that you need shouldn't be available, only that you aren't going to find it in the Digest.
It is simply a digest of what was added to SVN. This tends to emphasize what has been added to TRUNK while the next release is going to be from a BRANCH. Making it a useful source of information, but not for the purpose you want to use if for.
I suggest that you consult the Change Log for the release to obtain the information which you want.
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Re: time to get a new digest writer
by Richard Van Den Boom on Saturday 23/Feb/2008, @23:54
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>You work has been appreciated, but if digest continue to be a week late, I can
>only see us moving to another desktop environment
I must have fallen in a time shift and suddenly, it's the 1st of april.
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Re: time to get a new digest writer
by Emil Sedgh on Sunday 24/Feb/2008, @04:35
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Danny, could you see how important is your work on KDE? This guy is on KDE because of Commit-Digest!
Thanks, for all the time you spend on KDE and Commit-Digest, you rock.
@anon: 'us'? talk as yourself not 'us', please.
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Re: time to get a new digest writer
by Bobby on Sunday 24/Feb/2008, @10:40
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Not defending Danny here but hey! You can switch to Gnome, XFCE or E17, they all have a better Commit Digest. Apart from that I think it would be good if Danny could really pass the baton to you seeing that you know it better ;)
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Re: time to get a new digest writer
by Adrian Baugh on Sunday 24/Feb/2008, @10:59
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The digest lists bleeding-edge commits. If you use svn kde in a production environment you're insane. This isn't the place to find changelogs for stable kde versions. And if you really need to know what's being committed to svn in a desperate hurry, read the svn logs!
Thanks Danny, the digest does an excellent job of keeping informed those of us who like to follow kde development without actually ploughing through svn in detail.
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Re: time to get a new digest writer
by Rafael Fernández López on Sunday 24/Feb/2008, @13:30
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Welcome to the project then !! As I see you have some free time, you will be able to read what's going on at SVN and write down all the most important things. Oh wait... you are not that kind of person. Yeah, I hit the WRONG person. Those kind of people that prefer to say "this sucks" better than getting hands to work and help for some purpose.
Danny is rocking, he does what nobody elses do, and is a hard work. Never forget as Aaron and others said that commit digest is not what you try it to be. It is just a place where you can see how things are going, but is not a release notice with a list of bugfixes or new features.
So, it is nice to before posting, you do some things:
1) Inform yourself.
2) Think.
3) Think again.
4) Write.
Maybe 2 and 3 are sometimes hard, but hey, you can do it. Maybe you aren't of those too... in that case I completely got the dirt on the WRONG person.
Thanks Danny for your incredible work.
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Re: time to get a new digest writer
by Maarte on Sunday 24/Feb/2008, @14:14
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I'm inclined to believe you to be little more than a spoiled, self-indulgent troll with an over-inflated ego. That you didn't even have the decency to give your name shows how much of a coward you are. You are far from any part of the community, and you fail at life. Spread your poisonous ego elsewhere.
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Re: time to get a new digest writer
by Mate on Monday 25/Feb/2008, @06:38
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Danny, you rock! Don't get insulted by such trolls! I am looking forward to the next reader's, err.. sorry, commit digest!
PS: Given the number of people who donated money towards your laptop (me included) you probably know how much your effort is appreciated :)
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Re: time to get a new digest writer
by Gabriel Gazzán on Monday 25/Feb/2008, @07:26
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Don't you have anything more productive to do than light crtizising?
At least give your real name!
You suck.
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Re: time to get a new digest writer
by nicolas on Monday 25/Feb/2008, @12:32
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Casse toi, pauvre con! *
... but actually Aaron might be right, and you are simply confusing the digest with some changelogs of some kde release. Very unlikely of course, as noted by Aaron himself.
And the link from Boudewijn is definitively of striking actuality.
* this slightly aggressive ;-) sentence was used a few days ago by the actual and very respectable french president for a much minor offence towards his own person.
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Re: time to get a new digest writer
by nuno pinheiro on Wednesday 23/Apr/2008, @03:44
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Men this kind of coments will achive only one thing.... no more digest...
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