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Re: akademy2008 logo sucks.
by anon on Thursday 13/Mar/2008, @16:00

Well aaron I would have doubts you meet honest people, but just want to meet ass kissers who agree and say what you want. These two people are being honest and giving their honest view on what they believe.

I congratulate people who do speak out, and who don't ass kiss and give the positive view that Aaron wants, but who give their honest view, be it positive or negative. And I say Aaron, if all you need to hear is positive, then KDE is in serious trouble. You have to take the positive to be able to grow, if all you want is negative, then you will stagnate.

I say to those who have comments that aren't positive share them, because only through sharing the good, the bad, and the ugly can KDE grow. To Aaron, grow up and understand that, or stand down from your position before you wreck KDE.

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Re: akademy2008 logo sucks.
by Alex on Thursday 13/Mar/2008, @17:23

Skipping the part about Aaron...

Giving honest view is good, of course also if it's negative, maybe even more than, because they point out what can be improved. But really, the first two posts didn't do that in any way. In that sense they are at most worthless.

Alex

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Re: akademy2008 logo sucks.
by Morty on Friday 14/Mar/2008, @08:12

You are obviously not getting what Aaron wrote.

Read the comments by Uwe Thiem and m. then compare that to the two so called honest post. Then re-read Aaron's post. If you don't get it then, you most likely deliberatly trying not to.

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Re: akademy2008 logo sucks.
by Riddle on Friday 14/Mar/2008, @08:33

> These two people are being honest and giving their honest view on what they believe.
Yes, these people are giving honest answers, but they are not saying how to improve. As a result, they are NOT being helpful.

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Re: akademy2008 logo sucks.
by Jos And on Friday 14/Mar/2008, @09:28

I find this to be pretty stupid comment. Uwe's answer is very constructive, but he was a professionel printer before doing software.
Brochures like this are not written to satisfy professional printers. Are you saying that those of us that are not professional printers can not say something "sucks" ?
According to Uwe Thiem those that wrote this brochure where not professionals and on the same level as us - so we can say "suck". Just ignore it if you dont like it

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Re: akademy2008 logo sucks.
by Morty on Friday 14/Mar/2008, @14:17

Well it's your comment that's stupid. You don't have to be a professional to write something constructive, nobody said so either. Take a look at the comment by m. below.

Rather than just posting a useless it suck comment, you only need to spend a little time describing whats wrong and perhaps how to fix the issues. Suddenly you have an usefull comment. It's not even hard.

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Re: akademy2008 logo sucks.
by Aaron Seigo on Friday 14/Mar/2008, @08:33

perhaps the distinction between destructive stop energy and constructive input (negative or otherwise) has been lost on you.

destructive stop energy has no real content: "it sucks" says nothing about what problems the person perceives, let alone suggest realistic avenues of improvement. the only good it does is remove the motivation of others. there are some good writings available (dead tree and electronic formats both) on "poisonous" or "toxic" personalities.

often the individual doesn't intend to be poisonous, but it's a pattern they fall into.

constructive input highlights challenges with positive, energetic communication. bonus points for suggesting solutions. receiving constructive input, even if it is "wow, this could be a lot better", usually leaves the recipient feeling motivated, inquisitive and open (assuming there aren't ego issues interfering).

Uwe's comment is classic constructive criticism.

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Re: akademy2008 logo sucks.
by Uwe Thiem on Saturday 15/Mar/2008, @01:07

Well, I had the advantage to know what I was talking about. ;-)

On the topic of constructive and destructive criticism, you don't necessarily need to point out how to improve it. Maybe, you don't know yourself. But you definitely have to point out as precisely as possible *what* actually sucks. General comments without any meat in them don't help anyone.

Of course, it you know how to improve whatever you are criticising then spell it out. But I would always defend the right to criticise without knowing a better way. It can be a starting point of the process that will eventually lead to the solution. The thing is to criticise in a way that helps which means to point out exactly what is wrong.

So. Not too many spelling errors this time. ;-) And no, my spelling of "to criticise" doesn't qualify. :-)

Uwe

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