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Re: "Classic" theme
by Andrew Lake (jamboarder) on Friday 21/Mar/2008, @12:51
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Not sure if it is what you had in mind but I'm working on few updates to the Aya theme which blends in a way that you might be suggesting (the current one's at http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Aya+Plasma+Theme?content=76197). If Aya doesn't quite do it for you, let me know what visual specifics your looking for and I'll fork Aya into a new theme.
As an aside, these themes are really pretty easy to do, so I genuinely hope others will dive in. If anyone needs any helps, feel free to drop me a note.
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Re: "Classic" theme
by T. J. Brumfield on Friday 21/Mar/2008, @17:39
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I'm not sure I'm madly in love with that look, but I must say I commend the effort to have a Plasma theme match the rest of the desktop.
That should have been part of the initial design from day 1.
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Re: "Classic" theme
by Grósz Dániel on Friday 21/Mar/2008, @18:09
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I agree. This theme, still, just uses SVG to make plasma elements look like applications, to some extent. But it cannot be perfect as Plasma devs decided to use SVG everywhere instead of common Qt widgets as applications do. (For example, the logout dialog in KDE 3 uses the same buttons as applications while in KDE 4 it uses different SVG buttons.) I think they favored eye-candy too much over consistency.
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Re: "Classic" theme
by Andrew Lake on Friday 21/Mar/2008, @20:47
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I'm thinking it is possible to use QtWidgets in plasma. See krunner buttons, lists and combobox for an example. Granted to logout buttons example you gave makes your point regarding consistency. Remember that many of the same primitives that are available with the QPainter facility are the same kind of primitives that are available in an SVG (wouldn't surprise me if the QT SVG renderer uses at least some one to one mapping of these primitives). Personally, I think SVGs were a great choice, since it opens up the look and to the many of us with arguably better artistic skills than coding skills while still affording us the ability to create a "well-blended" theme.
There argueably isn't a Plasma theme *yet*, that blends really well with the oxygen style to everyone's taste. But, IMHO, it's all just artwork now. No bloody coding. No bloody compiling. Just grab Inkscape and start fiddling. With a bit of diligence I bet we could make one that's turns out pretty decent. Anyone up for the challenge?
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Re: "Classic" theme
by Luciano on Saturday 22/Mar/2008, @01:43
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Oxygen is not the only style out there... and hopefully there will be new widget styles and window decorations, with time.
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Re: "Classic" theme
by Grósz Dániel on Saturday 22/Mar/2008, @06:37
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"SVGs were a great choice"
SVG is great. The only problem is that in some places they used custom SVGs even where normal Qt widgets could have been used.
"it's all just artwork now"
As Luciano wrote, Oxygen is not the only theme, and some themes also have several settings (e. g. Domino in KDE 3 or QtCurve can look many different ways depending on settings). If we want a Plasma theme consistent with the other parts of the system, we need one that blends well integrates with whatever widget style the user selects. As widget styles are programmed (AFAIK), this is not possible if Plasma themes are just artwork (no code). So we need different Plasma themes corresponding to every widget style but that would be very much pointless redundant work and it is not likely to happen.
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Re: "Classic" theme
by Andrew Lake (jamboarder) on Saturday 22/Mar/2008, @07:29
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Fair points.
As a theme author I'll do my best to come up with themes that, while they admittedly may not adequately address the points above, will hopefully work reasonably well different styles.
peace,
Andrew
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Re: "Classic" theme
by Riddle on Wednesday 26/Mar/2008, @08:03
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The Aya theme is supposed to be "color sensitive". Also, the CSS3 "appearance" option should allow for perfect intergration (how good is Plasma's CSS?).
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Re: "Classic" theme
by yman on Thursday 03/Apr/2008, @08:38
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Perhaps the solution is that those who make themes make them in pairs of desktop and window themes? That way, they'd look the same but you can also mix and match.
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Re: "Classic" theme
by Grósz Dániel on Saturday 22/Mar/2008, @06:44
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Another thing which I think is unneccessary inconsistency is the Run command dialog . It's OK that it uses Plasma widgets (which can be Qt widgets with widgets on canvas in 4.1) but why isn't it a normal window managed by the window manager?
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Re: "Classic" theme
by nuno pinheiro on Saturday 22/Mar/2008, @07:41
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About consistency and plasmoids....
Personal opinion only.....
Its not about being consistent... if you wnat consistency use qt gui and make an app, plasmoids are not that IMO they are litle pices of somthing else and they are suposed to be like that .... againg if you want consistency for plasmoids ... there would be litle point on having plasma, plasma is about fredom to be difrent and do wahthever you want in a ui.... qt style has huge limitations couse of huge number of rules you must follow, plasma is an anser for that, personaly i heven dont favor the all loking alike plasmoids, (think plasma should send a set of rateher coerent plasmoids) but not much more than that, the rest is up to the user to decide, a kinda infinite fredom via svg tewking chosing on kde-look, website downloads etc.
making them coerent with the style is ...
1 impossible for an all grouds solution.
2 very limitating for the creators.
PS I wont make enteries to the Contest.
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Re: "Classic" theme
by Grósz Dániel on Saturday 22/Mar/2008, @08:35
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Isn't it a design flaw of Plasma if even the default plasmoids, that everyone need, look in a different way from applications? You wrote that Plasma is about freedom, everybody creates their own look - this is exactly what I think is inconsistency. Different parts of the system shouldn't create their own different look, they should use the same look as the whole system.
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Re: "Classic" theme
by blubb__ on Saturday 22/Mar/2008, @09:50
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I disagree. I don't think its a design flaw. In my opinion the panel doesn't belong to the applications. There are applications running on top and the panel in the background, and its ok for me if they look different, because they _are_ different, at least semantically.
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Re: "Classic" theme
by nuno pinheiro on Saturday 22/Mar/2008, @10:54
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To clarify, what I have said are my opinions only.
About the pannel ..... ist very very complicated matter, I dont like the current look of the pannel think it should be redone... Making it look like the widget set in use is one idea, dough Im not sure it will deliver any beter results.
Im pretty sure it wont btw.
Again this are my personal ideas on the subject they dont represent plasma in any way.
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Re: "Classic" theme
by yman on Thursday 03/Apr/2008, @08:43
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I like the contrast between windows and Plasmoids. The way it's done allows you to choose whether to have it consistent or different, through mixing and matching. It doesn't have to consistent or inconsistent, because it's up to you to choose.
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Re: "Classic" theme
by Lubos Lunak on Saturday 22/Mar/2008, @02:37
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That looks pretty close. I like that KRunner is a rectangle with it, so as soon as I fix KWin to be able to force decorations on any window KRunner will be again a normal dialog, despite how special Plasma developers may think it is. But the colors still don't look right, the gray is somewhat darker than the rest. I read in the kde-look description that the SVG should be colored from the system colors, so is this a bug? There's also the even darker stripe at the top of KRunner, but I guess that's intentional, without the possibility of KRunner having a decoration.
Simply put, I'd want a theme that would not be a theme at all, i.e. a look like of every other windows/widgets. It may look absurd to actually have to ask that something looks normally, but it almost seems like the goal of KDE4 is to impress people with how shiny it is. There are some people who have been using KDE already for some time and care more about using it than just watching it.
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Re: "Classic" theme
by Andrew Lake (jamboarder) on Saturday 22/Mar/2008, @08:24
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It's not a bug. The lazy theme author used the same gradient for the panel-background (which was intentionally slightly darker) for the dialogs. I intend to lighten up the dialog SVGs a bit (the SVG's can 'control' how much colorization is applied).
The darker stripe at the top of the krunner dialog was intentional (even if admittedly if it's not quite right... yet). Once it takes on the system colors, it starts to look like a window sans window decoration. So it seemed like it needed something to 'anchor' it.
I realized a lot of people want a theme that blends well with, or is just the currently selected colors/style. This was part of my original motivation for getting involved. I'll keep working on Aya, or maybe a fork of it, that comes as close as possible to satisfying this part of my motivation.
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Re: "Classic" theme
by jospoortvliet on Saturday 22/Mar/2008, @14:13
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lubos, at first i agreed with you about the run dialog but after using it for a while i don't realy see the issue anymore... How about you?
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Re: "Classic" theme
by Riddle on Wednesday 26/Mar/2008, @21:16
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====================
NEWER LINK TO AYA
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It looks like Aya has been updated. View this link (it seems to look better to me):
http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Aya+(for+theme+contest)?content=76197
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