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Re: Plasmoids in apps
by Aaron Seigo on Tuesday 25/Mar/2008, @13:35

i dunno ...

the fact that we have three rss readers sort of goes to show how easy it is to write these sorts of things now. the rss lib in kdepimlibs and plasma make it really trivial.

and part of the idea of plasma is that no one person knows exactly how you want to do it. so ... we make it as easy as possible to create your own things. magically, people are doing just that.

that said, i think it is great to see kalzium, kget and akonadi (to name three) shipping plasmoids and engines of their own. that kind of integration can only get us even further.

and thankfully, those two things (proliferation of MyPlasmoids and nicely integrated default plasmoids) are not mutually exclusive. we can do both.

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Re: Plasmoids in apps
by Kerr Avon on Tuesday 25/Mar/2008, @17:04

Aaron,

I have only had a little play with a live CD of 4.0.0 so maybe I am missing some of the vision here but are these standalone plasmoids simply going to sit on the desktop? If I have a lot in use, won't they just clutter up the screen real estate and make it unusable? I know we can resize applets but I don't want to be doing that every time I need a function.

That would mean:

1. Minimise running applications in order to see the desktop
2. Locate and highlight the running plasmoid so that the border appears
3. Drag to resize so that I can read it
4. Use the applet
5. Resize it back down
6. Go back to using whichever application I want

This is quite a few steps and seems a little clumsy. Could we call applets to the forefront of the screen with shortcuts so that they appear "layered" over the top of running applications? That way, we wouldn't need to return to the desktop all the time.

Alternatively, is that zoom feature going to be used to simply zoom in on the plasmoid we need on the desktop?

Please explain as I am probably missing some of the "vision" for the KDE4 series here!

Thanks, mate.

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Re: Plasmoids in apps
by Fool on Tuesday 25/Mar/2008, @20:45

You already can do this (from day 1), I believe you have to press ctrl-f8 or 9 or something like that. I don't use it that often cos I don't use plasmoids (yet...no must have plasmoids for me yet).

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Re: Plasmoids in apps
by Rob Scheepmaker on Wednesday 26/Mar/2008, @02:40

You can allready do this. Just press ctrl+f12, and your desktop with all it's applets will magically appear in front of your applications (which looks really cool with compositing enabled btw). And stuff where you allways want to keep an eye one, you can just put in the panel.

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Re: Plasmoids in apps
by jos poortvliet on Wednesday 26/Mar/2008, @05:02

1 won't be necessary, see other comments.
2, 3 - zoom might help there.
4 - of course you need that ;-)
5 - zoom
6 just click on a window which is still visible behind the applets and you go back.

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Re: Plasmoids in apps
by Kerr Avon on Wednesday 26/Mar/2008, @15:20

Thanks for all of your prompt replies, Gents. I'll have another play with KDE 4.0 very soon (when Fedora 9 is released!)

Cheers.

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Re: Plasmoids in apps
by Emil Sedgh on Wednesday 26/Mar/2008, @00:27

Hi
having standalone plasmoids has a few problems:
1)every standalone plasmoid needs a maintainer.so we will have the problem of 'unmaintained' plasmoids in future.
2)The process of playgground->kdereview->kdebase-workspace will be there just for little plasmoids.really, plasmoids are little, they are not full applications...
3)hunderds of bugzilla entries just for little plasmoids? reporting those bugs would be confusing...

im not saying all plasmoids 'should' be included in an application.sure, some of them should be standalone.for example minimize/show desktop or analog clocks...but look at current status: the new plasmoids for konqueror/kate/konsole profiles should be included in konqueror, kate and konsole.not kdebase or anywhere else.

about the fact that a little rss reader shouldnt depend on akregator, i must say that third party plasmoids will come for that.but plasmoids that are included in KDE should be intergrated.

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Re: Plasmoids in apps
by jos poortvliet on Wednesday 26/Mar/2008, @05:03

Most plasmoids will be available from kde-look, just like styles, superkaramba applets etcetera...

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