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Re: My two cents ... again and again
by Jos And on Friday 28/Mar/2008, @15:41

Lying is not the right word.. he's just promoting KDE 4.0.x and he just shouldn't because the quality is not there.
You can do what i intend to do if you stick with Linux/*BSD/Whatever and things do not improve substantially for 4.1 - use Gnome as desktop and KDE apps as needed. I'll try to get used to Gnome even tough its going to be pretty annoying and use my prefered KDE apps - Kmail, Kate, Quanta, Konqueror etc.

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Re: My two cents ... again and again
by Grósz Dániel on Friday 28/Mar/2008, @17:08

You can use KDE 3.5.* until 4.x matures. Kate and Quanta (AFAIK) are not yet ported to KDE 4 do you have to use the KDE 3 version so it makes more sense to use KDE 3 as DE.

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Re: My two cents ... again and again
by Paul Eggleton on Friday 28/Mar/2008, @17:48

FYI, Kate is working, Quanta for KDE 4 is a work in progress IIRC. I'm happily using KDE 4.0.2 on Kubuntu here on my laptop, with apps like K3B, Kontact, KNetworkManager, digiKam still as KDE 3 applications.

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Re: My two cents ... again and again
by Grósz Dániel on Friday 28/Mar/2008, @17:51

Sorry, somehow I associated with Kile. Kate in KDE 4 is great, indeed.

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Re: My two cents ... again and again
by Jos And on Saturday 29/Mar/2008, @01:19

Kate KDE4 is not doing it for me, so i just removed it and most other KDE 4 apps. In fact only my wife uses KDE 4 apps - and it is only the games; patience and minesweeper of some kind.
What i find pretty amazing with KDE is that there is no compliancelist for apps and Desktop enviroment and therefore no way to verify apps and DE. So in fact releases are made without verification and improvements are mostly bug-squatting. That, I suppose, is the reason for - NOT the bugs - the missing functionality.

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Re: My two cents ... again and again
by Artem S. Tashkinov on Saturday 29/Mar/2008, @16:33

> Lying is not the right word..

My fault, sorry.

However KDE will not ever become a good development platform without the things I've mentioned. Even relicensing of Qt/KDE libraries under LGPL will greatly increase the adoption of KDE amongst developers. Even most prominent distros (Ubuntu and Fedora/RHEL) have chosen GTK over Qt due to this reason. And Qt is such a great toolkit (actually much more than that)!

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Re: My two cents ... again and again
by Segedunum on Saturday 29/Mar/2008, @16:47

"However KDE will not ever become a good development platform without the things I've mentioned."

KDE is the only Linux desktop with a half-decent development platform, and that comes from using Qt. Gnome doesn't have any kind of development platform that developers can pick up and use in a straightforward fashion, unless they use Mono. Beyond that, you're pulling in GTK, libXML, Cairo and all sorts of other libraries that behave and program completely differently. No ISV looking from the Windows and Mac worlds will touch that with a ten foot barge pole.

"Even relicensing of Qt/KDE libraries under LGPL will greatly increase the adoption of KDE amongst developers."

Qt already has a very vibrant software community, and quite frankly, I see very few actual ISVs out there using GTK (at all) because it is simply LGPLed. ISVs want quality development tools they can pick up, not zero cost stuff that doesn't work well and isn't usable.

The dual licensing means that investment goes into Qt, and KDE then gets better with each successive version of Qt. LGPLing something means that you accept people will have less incentive to contribute code back to the software, and that's the price you pay for 'developing for nothing'.

I suggest you do some googling, because this has been discussed umpteen times before.

"Even most prominent distros (Ubuntu and Fedora/RHEL) have chosen GTK over Qt due to this reason."

Ah, not that old chestnut. It's done Ubuntu and Red Hat a fat lot of good supposedly standardising on GTK. The quality and depth of the graphical tools produced is woeful, and as long as that continues GTK will continue to hold Ubuntu and Red Hat back.

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Re: My two cents ... again and again
by Kevin Kofler on Sunday 30/Mar/2008, @00:27

What do you think this is?
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE

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