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Re: Debian
by txf on Thursday 03/Apr/2008, @14:54

Rpms are more powerful and flexible than debs, but they are so slow and seemingly all distros that use them suck at package management in comparison to debian based distros.

That may be because their tools suck, but seeing as they all use different tools the only element of commonality is the fact that they use rpms. This leads to the conclusion that either rpm should be chucked, or that the tools should be improved a lot seeing the way they are now.

debian by way of ubuntu already has masses of users using and loving debs

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Re: Debian
by apokryphos on Thursday 03/Apr/2008, @15:09

> seemingly all distros that use them suck at package management in comparison to debian based distros.

ZYpp (package management stack for openSUSE) in the upcoming version -- 11.0 -- is actually faster than APT, and has even more useful features, like installation of local/remote RPMs. It also features a much cleverer and flexible solver.

Of course it also supports 1-click-install, which is much more "what the masses want".

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Re: Debian
by LP on Thursday 03/Apr/2008, @15:24

RPMs are gzipped cpio archives and DEBs are gzipped ar archives. Not a big difference when you install a single package with the rpm or dpkg tools.

Apt-get *seems* to be faster than many other tools because it don't automatically refresh it's package cache. Running apt-get update && apt-get install xxxx takes a longer time.

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Re: Debian
by apokryphos on Thursday 03/Apr/2008, @15:47

> RPMs are gzipped cpio archives and DEBs are gzipped ar archives.

In fact, this is another new change in openSUSE Factory. We're switching to LZMA which actually offers better compression (so smaller downloads), and faster decompressing (for faster installation).

See coolo's blog for some figures: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3326

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Re: Debian
by Martin Fitzpatrick on Sunday 06/Apr/2008, @05:15

Out of interest, whats the deal with the two versions of RPM? I haven't used RPM based distros for ~8 years so I was kind of suprised to find out that the codebase split?

Good/bad thing? Which does SUSE use?

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