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I love Wikipedia and KDE, but ..
by Tom on Friday 04/Apr/2008, @08:06
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I just dont love the german wikipedia. It really stinks bigtime. They have a very elite attidude .. like only stuff that should belong in a hardware Encyclopidia should be in Wikipedia and so they deleted a lot of articles about Linux distributions or about TV shows etc .. those people totally suck balls IMHO.
The german wikipedia could have MUCH more content .. but we just have too many powertrippin Delete-Freaks ..
IMHO they are a symbol for intolerant behavior .. probably a german problem .. we had too many stupid beurocratic idiots in our history and some of those sadly reproduced. (Blockwarte)
Just my .02c
( P.S.: I do not contribute to the german wikipedia .. i sometimes correct english tech articles. The german one is a lost cause ) |
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Re: I love Wikipedia and KDE, but ..
by Bille on Friday 04/Apr/2008, @10:02
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Maybe it makes me an elitist attidude, but one of the things I find stinks about english wikipedia is the amount of non-knowledge on there. People are free to spend their time as they like, but IMO an encyclopaedia should stop where the fictional loses contact with the real and starts referring back to itself. Kudos to the german wikipedians for keeping fantasy and reality separate.
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Re: I love Wikipedia and KDE, but ..
by Tom on Friday 04/Apr/2008, @13:14
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I was not talking about fantasy. The information must be facts.
But .. well .. different people have opinions what knowledge is I guess. For me a well maintained article about a niche distro is knowledge.
I think wikipedia is more than a traditional encyclopedia .. i think it was intended to be a wiki to collect information. All sorts of real proven facts etc. If you have people maintaining it should be fine. I really dont see the need/reason for deletion. It is not that diskspace would be a problem or something..
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Re: I love Wikipedia and KDE, but ..
by John Tapsell on Friday 04/Apr/2008, @16:43
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Why? How does it harm you if there is an article on the characters in Buffy, say?
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Re: I love Wikipedia and KDE, but ..
by Martin Fitzpatrick on Saturday 05/Apr/2008, @04:08
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My gut instinct is that it isn't, as long as fan gushing is kept in check. I think deleting is bad form: if there is something wrong with an article factually (or style) it should be fixed: deleting peoples work only creates resentment. Even people who know nothing about a subject can identify problems with it or help to rewrite but it's fans you need to maintain pages and remove vandalism.
Wikipedia could do with a "new editors" programme to bring in fresh talent. Of course, everyone can edit but the rules upon rules and groupthink can get in the way. Every organisation needs fresh ideas to keep it innovating.
...Back on topic. There's something neat about seeing a KDE office... but it did make me wonder, what have you been doing up to now? That it has grown to the size it has with volunteer only administration is impressive in itself.
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Re: I love Wikipedia and KDE, but ..
by Michael on Saturday 05/Apr/2008, @09:42
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Full ACK. I don't use the German Wikipedia at all exactly for this reason. The English Wikipedia has LOTS more of additional information on nearly every topic you can think of than the German Wikipedia. This is of course not only due to "delete freaks" but also due to the much more limited amount of people speaking German. The delete freaks add insult to injury though and keep deleting stuff unnnecessarily from a site which already has reduced content in comparison to its "parent".
IMHO the idea to have your local language instead of English for every site is a lost cause in general. It causes unnecessary barriers, making the Internet more and more fragmented and is in stark contrast to the "Inter" in "Internet". German is great for everyday talk between colleagues, friends, family and I like it for its increased flexibility to express something and the many ways you can have fun with words, combine and rearrange them - but do I really want to have äöü-characters in my e-mail-address? Certainly not. Do I really want to find a much more unrelated page in Google? I do not use German Google at all anymore. Just try and search for "gimp" at the German Google and look at the first entry. They can't be serious! The list goes and on and it even gets worse with other countries. Imagine a Chinese friend sending you his new e-mail-address. Ugh.
Lots of great ideas are possibly floating around the internet. Perhaps someone has already posted the solution to a problem you are desperately looking for on the Internet but it's in Japanese or German or Turkish or whatever so it's completely useless - even more - it's invisible to everyone else. I don't think it's a great thing at all.
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Re: I love Wikipedia and KDE, but ..
by Arnomane on Sunday 06/Apr/2008, @14:58
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Well replace "German Wikipedia" by "I18n" and your message doesn't change. You belong to the group of people that think I am stupid cause I like my Computer talking in German to me and not in English. People that think translations of Computer topics are intrinsically evil cause there exist so many bad translations.
By the way did you know that this "software science thing" which is known in German by the very short and descriptive word "Informatik" (~ computer sciences/information technology...) has no real English equivalent? Strange, hum?
Why can't you be so relaxed on the Internet in case you see a "somewhat funny" German translation? In daily live you also most certainly don't use high standard German but your very local dialect with a very relaxed grammar.
Furthermore there are many people -and certainly not stupid people- that can express themselves much better in their own language. Do you want to silence these people for the sake of your "unified English Internet"? This would be a poor and small Internet. Luckily this is not the case.
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