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Re: NX
by Janne on Thursday 24/Apr/2008, @21:52
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"Apoligize taken."
Um, I was being sarcastic.
"The problem is not your intention, but the way it arrives."
And what would that be? "nagging? It would be nagging if I constantly demanded that this particular feature gets implemented. How exactly can one singular comment that is few sentences long be considered "nagging"?
"You are welcome to add your ideas to bugs.kde.org"
No, I won't be doing that. I mean, I don't want to offer any "unwanted help" or "nag" to the developers... Besides, those coders have interests of their own, what does it matter what I want done, right? After all, I'm not a coder.
"Just "throwing in wild ideas" at the first best place without being asked for, is too easy and received as nagging, really."
I talked about NX, which was directly related to the subject of this article. Are you saying that comments that contains something that could be seen as a "suggestion" do not belong to dot.kde.org?
Don't like the suggestion or the way it was presented? Fine, ignore it. Just don't start nagging about it. |
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Re: NX
by Koder on Friday 25/Apr/2008, @04:10
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[It would be nagging...]
Well, you are just not the only one. Try to see if from a active person's POV: There may be only one suggestion per user, but by the masses of users it makes up an enormous flood of suggestions.
[How exactly can one singular comment ... "nagging"?]
Well, you also only got one singular comment "Where is your code?" and already started to be pissed of. As you also see a masses of developers who each only one time say something like that ;)
[No, I won't do that.]
So, you are not really interested? Too sad. Pretty sensible, you are. And see, bugs.kde.org is set up exactly for this, that is where your help is really, really wanted. But obviously now your ego is in the way, oh dear.
[Fine, ignore it.]
Honey, just be a good example and ignore comments like "Where is your code?" then :P
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Re: NX
by Janne on Friday 25/Apr/2008, @06:55
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"There may be only one suggestion per user, but by the masses of users it makes up an enormous flood of suggestions."
Yes, heaven forbid when users make suggestions on how to make the software better! How dare they! they should just use the software and STFU! Or better yet: they shouldn't even use the software either, then the coders would REALLY be left in peace, right?
"Well, you also only got one singular comment "Where is your code?" and already started to be pissed of."
Because the mentality that only coders are worth something, is getting pretty old, pretty fast. If I wanted to use software where dialog with the developers is not wanted, I might as well use Windows.
It's not constructive to suggest something, and receive a reply that basically says "do it yourself". What WOULD be constructive is a discussion on the pros and cons of the idea, and further ideas how to improve it.
"So, you are not really interested?"
Yes I am. In fact, I have filed bug-reports. I have discussed things in mailinglists, developer-blogs and in various forums. But I wont be doing that anymore, since you made me see the light. Feedback, suggestions, wishes and the like not wanted. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
"Honey, just be a good example and ignore comments like "Where is your code?" then :P"
In the end, suggestions lilke that are not constructive. It just reinforces the "by coders, for coders"-mentality. Fact of the matter is that most people are not coders. And still, those people might have valuable feedback to provide. But here you are basically saying that if they can't code, their feedback is worthless.
Like I said: thanks for helping me see the light. I know now that feedback and suggestions are not wanted.
Have fun coding.
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Re: NX
by Koder on Friday 25/Apr/2008, @07:39
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"... And see, bugs.kde.org is set up exactly for this, that is where your help is really, really wanted."
[I know now that feedback and suggestions are not wanted.]
I see. What stops you from learning to write code is that you have already problems to read... :) At least if it doesn't fit your own view.
But you have a good excuse now to stop contributing even your ideas, those (all of them?) lame developers are just too arrogant to listen to you. I gratulate. You are free.
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Re: NX
by Martin Fitzpatrick on Friday 25/Apr/2008, @11:44
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"Koder":You're an idiot.
Janne: For what it's worth, I am a developer (not of KDE but other things) and I value contributions like yours. AKA polite and interesting. Keep contributing, filing bugs and having discussions: if only to drown out the sound coming from this guy. Have fun.
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Re: NX
by Koder on Friday 25/Apr/2008, @14:12
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Oh, thanks, other than you obviously. Hope you don't mind that I still value your elaborated argumentation techniques.
Please now continue your fruitful discussions about nx dreams, sorry that I disrupted.
Have fun. But learn to code.
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Re: NX
by Janne on Monday 28/Apr/2008, @01:15
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Koder: could you please quote the part in dot.kde.org that says "feedback and suggestions are not wanted here"? Also, could you please quote the part in kde.org that says "feedback and suggestions are only wanted in bugs-kde.org, and nowhere else"? I'm waiting.... If you can't find text that says that, then what exactly makes you think that dot is not kosher as far as suggestions and feedback is concerned?
I have talked about KDE in my blog, what are you going to do about it? Punch me in the face? I have also talked about KDE in developer-blogs? What are you going to do about that? Start whining that I should only talk about kDE in bugs.kde.org?
Also, are you part of the KDE-project? If you are not, then what makes you think that you can talk for KDE? Only person you can talk for, is yourself.
"At least if it doesn't fit your own view."
Look who's talking. You start whining if someone does something that does not fit your narrow world-view on things.
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