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Re: wow
by Jim on Wednesday 30/Apr/2008, @03:52
> If people using an alpha get mad because Plasma is somewhat broken, then its their own fault.

I think the point being made is that Plasma was considered by many to be unfinished by KDE 4.0's release and responsible for a lot of its problems. Everybody unhappy with KDE 4.0 was told that KDE 4.1 was the "real" release, and that KDE 4.0 was just a preview.

So to find out that Plasma is undergoing yet more big changes rather than stabilising just makes a mockery of everybody who was fed the excuses about 4.0 and the promises for 4.1.

> Breakage while implementing new features are what alphas are all about in the software world.

Oh, I was saying that for 4.0. I was told I didn't understand open source and that betas and release candidates are appropriate for breakage while implementing new features too.
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Re: wow
by Janne on Wednesday 30/Apr/2008, @04:12
"So to find out that Plasma is undergoing yet more big changes rather than stabilising just makes a mockery of everybody who was fed the excuses about 4.0 and the promises for 4.1."

Dude, why don't you just wait until 4.1 is released? Basing your critique on Alpha-software is disingenuous at best.

"Oh, I was saying that for 4.0. I was told I didn't understand open source and that betas and release candidates are appropriate for breakage while implementing new features too."

4.0 was and is a major undertaking of moving the project to a whole new foundation. And 4.0 achieved that. Is it functionally equivalent to 3.x? No. But 4.1 should take big steps in turning KDE4 in to a robust everyday desktop.

And to respond to your whining... Again: Wait until 4.1 is released, before you start whining how Plasma is "broken", OK? Because as things are right now, you have exactly zero idea that is it breoken or not. And before you say something like "Well, the announcement of 4.1 Alpha says that it's broken!"... Yes, it might be somewhat broken in 4.1 Alpha. But Alpha is not the final release. Hell, we might get second Alpha, followed by few betas, followed by one or more release candidates.

In short: Wait until the software is actually released, before whining about that software, OK?
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Re: wow
by Aaron Seigo on Wednesday 30/Apr/2008, @13:40
> Plasma is undergoing yet more big changes rather than stabilising

the changes we have done are required to stabilize things.

more over, these changes were planned for 4.1 before 4.0 itself was released.

this was not some random changing of everything because we feel like it ... they were changes with a purpose that were planned, expected and now executed.
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